Book 5 - Prologue 4

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Book 5 - Prologue 4
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The Shadow wrote:
You're right, we're not. My patience for academic Carnymancy is extremely limited. Derrida is a complete waste of anyone's time.

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Daily experience shows that while misunderstandings inevitably occur, they can also be overcome.


I'm not a Deconstructionist myself; but I don't think it's a complete waste of time. I think it's best used to illustrate how personal communication is. I think taking the time to realize how the subtext of language is personally unique enables a anyone to make their communication better. It is a jumping off point to examine how your writing is perceived.
The Shadow wrote:


More on topic, of course communication isn't perfect. But that's a far cry from saying it's *impossible*.


The point is that it IS impossible for someone to pick up exactly what you mean. You say something, they hear something and interpret it, the meaning they get isn't gonna be the same as the one you put in. Could be close. Could be far. Never going to be exact.

That's what I understood by Noah saying "communication is impossible", given the further elaboration that Noah had in the next paragraph. Seems true enough to me.

Of course, perhaps that's not exactly what he meant. ;)
Perfect communication is impossible for the same reasons it's impossible to physically construct a mathematically perfect square or circle.

What blows my mind is that See Birds are faster-than-light, one-way communication. You can give a See Bird commands in the present to focus on events within its past-memory's sensory range, which literally affect their past self's decisions, like choosing to fly near your target's camp fire. There has got to be a massive exploit for this ability..
zbeeblebrox wrote:

What blows my mind is that See Birds are faster-than-light, one-way communication. You can give a See Bird commands in the present to focus on events within its past-memory's sensory range, which literally affect their past self's decisions, like choosing to fly near your target's camp fire.

Um. What? How did you come to this conclusion?

Noah has a long-standing arrangement with this bird. Noah pays the bird, which allows it to lay and keep eggs. In return, the bird goes scouting for barbarian warlords, and gets as many details as possible without exposing itself to unnecessary danger.
Noah's view of Signamancy - that communication is filtered through the perceptions of the receiver and is thus fundamentally flawed - seems to contrast strongly with two things we've seen in the comic: the way towers Sign in the Source, and the way Parson picks up on Signamancy. Signing by towers seems to be exact, almost as if each Sign were a contract of meaning between the two parties. And Parson's ability to decode the Signamancy of Erfworld has been pretty spot-on for things that have been decided.
greycat wrote:
zbeeblebrox wrote:

What blows my mind is that See Birds are faster-than-light, one-way communication. You can give a See Bird commands in the present to focus on events within its past-memory's sensory range, which literally affect their past self's decisions, like choosing to fly near your target's camp fire.

Um. What? How did you come to this conclusion?

Noah has a long-standing arrangement with this bird. Noah pays the bird, which allows it to lay and keep eggs. In return, the bird goes scouting for barbarian warlords, and gets as many details as possible without exposing itself to unnecessary danger.


I must have misinterpreted the previous update that contained Noah. My impression had been that he came across the See Bird by chance, then paid it to read its memories from a ten-turn ago. In other words, he couldn't have known what it was going to encounter, nor order it beforehand to choose a target to focus on. If that's not the case then, uh, IGNORE ME
zbeeblebrox wrote:
greycat wrote:
zbeeblebrox wrote:

What blows my mind is that See Birds are faster-than-light, one-way communication. You can give a See Bird commands in the present to focus on events within its past-memory's sensory range, which literally affect their past self's decisions, like choosing to fly near your target's camp fire.

Um. What? How did you come to this conclusion?

Noah has a long-standing arrangement with this bird. Noah pays the bird, which allows it to lay and keep eggs. In return, the bird goes scouting for barbarian warlords, and gets as many details as possible without exposing itself to unnecessary danger.


I must have misinterpreted the previous update that contained Noah. My impression had been that he came across the See Bird by chance, then paid it to read its memories from a ten-turn ago. In other words, he couldn't have known what it was going to encounter, nor order it beforehand to choose a target to focus on. If that's not the case then, uh, IGNORE ME

Time out both of you, you seem to think this is a webcomics forum when clearly it's a semiotics forum.
Aside from the narration of the nature of communication, has anyone else noticed the subtle reinforcement of the Idea that the act of Observing a thing, changes that thing?

(edit) Ahh - Ninja'ed on Pg 2 - We're all too smart... Sometimes a Cigar is a Cigar, sometimes it's an other thing...
Is anybody else getting bummed out a bit by the bleakness of Erfworld as of late?
Fumo's still alive not croaked or disbanded yet, for what that's worth :?

Are you talking about Fumo's story in particular? Noah's revelations about the short life expectancy of naturally popping barbarian warlords?

I for one am enjoying Fumo's story. He's intelligent to realize (most of) why he's screwed but keeps on fighting through and shouting about wanting to live anyways. Hell, he's actually pretty polite to the punk elves despite their outward behavior towards him. Even if he does croak on turn 2 or something I'm still going to be impressed by the guy's gumption.