Book 4 - Page 199

The buck stops her—

Book 4 - Page 199
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SomeGuy411 wrote:
It appears my memory failed me. This shows the burnt body. I thought I remembered him casting over ashes, but can't find the panel. So, nothing to say Wanda could get out of ashes, even with carnymancy....thought arkencarny work could probably do it, I don't forsee the 'pliers player nice with a carny
Yeah, Jojo isn't a croakamancer, he's a carnymancer. He can't undo death (hell, neither can a croakamancer. That's what makesmade Wanda and her pliers such a game changer). He just changed the rules fate so instead of being destined to die in a fire she was destined to die by her own hands, which made fate keep her alive. Sylvia was incapped and he had her kept alive on life support(which I believe was considered a big waste of resource for a common stabber) while he cast the fate change spell. After that, Sylvia passed her million to one "survive this incapacitation" check because Fate was on her side. She not only wasn't ashes, she wasn't even a corpse yet. Jojo would have bee helpless in either case.
Anomynous 167 wrote:
strange7person wrote:
It occurs to me, if Sizemore only needs a tiny bit more juice to finish this job, :jed: could just... send it to him? Whatever connections Maggie needed for the casting-while-prisoner trick should already be in place, since Sizemore was also part of the relevant linkup. Not to mention the juice :jed: already used to reinforce Sizemore's H-string less than an hour ago as part of rescuing :parson: from the Scroll of GTFO.

Can ya not attempt to replace every word in your message with Smileys? It makes your message rather hard to parse, son.

Anyways the issue with sending Sizemore more juice would be that it would require stealing yet more juice from the source. And that's a no-no.

Could talk it over with the other temples first, and pay a few million shmuckers in penance. Every single one of the temples stole some juice to awaken themselves, so the option - the temptation - is always going to be there. If you make the prohibition absolute, the penalty infinite, then you end up with "in for a penny, in for a pound" problems where there's no incentive to remain moderate once one toe is over the line. The longer-term stable way to minimize overdraft from the Source is to agree on some heavy, but not utterly unbearable, price for each unit of juice stolen. Say, ten or a hundred times what it would cost to supply that much juice through normal upkeep.

Maybe add some rule to the effect that conquering another side's capital also means assuming responsibility for any outstanding debts they owed to the Source. Then, you'd start seeing a lot more wars ending with treaties rather than annihilation, because everyone would know that backing someone into a corner, tempting them to juice up their casters for some desperate scorched-earth trick, means seriously threatening some side's last city just isn't worth it anymore.
strange7person wrote:

Could talk it over with the other temples first, and pay a few million shmuckers in penance. Every single one of the temples stole some juice to awaken themselves, so the option - the temptation - is always going to be there. If you make the prohibition absolute, the penalty infinite, then you end up with "in for a penny, in for a pound" problems where there's no incentive to remain moderate once one toe is over the line. The longer-term stable way to minimize overdraft from the Source is to agree on some heavy, but not utterly unbearable, price for each unit of juice stolen. Say, ten or a hundred times what it would cost to supply that much juice through normal upkeep.

Maybe add some rule to the effect that conquering another side's capital also means assuming responsibility for any outstanding debts they owed to the Source. Then, you'd start seeing a lot more wars ending with treaties rather than annihilation, because everyone would know that backing someone into a corner, tempting them to juice up their casters for some desperate scorched-earth trick, means seriously threatening some side's last city just isn't worth it anymore.


There's a huge perverse incentive there, in that spending lots of Juice from the Source will make you less likely to be conquered. Charlie, for instance, would be "too big to assail," because no one would want the kind of debt that Charlie has run up.
Didn't Book 0 or Digdoug explain that if you attempt to cast a spell and fail, the juice is wasted? Am I remembering that right? If so, then its unlikely that Sizemore needs "just a little" more juice.
Veovis7 wrote:
I am simultaneously not at all surprised and quite surprised at the same time.

I guess we now have confirmation that Wanda croaking does not kill all the decrypted at once, so that's good. But I can't help but wonder about the Predictions that were hung on her by Marie; not all of those can have been fulfilled yet.

Perhaps, as Wanda said, "What follows in [her] place" — I can only presume this will be the Awakened Arkenpliers — "will be worse." And perhaps the Awake!Pliers can fulfill the Predictions.


What if through Wanda's death, all the decrypted are revived?

That $25 million would certainly be needed, and maybe why Stanley is screaming for Parson. The expenses just went up. Not to mention the loyalty factor.
Gyrate wrote:
So anyway, about the contract...

(ow ow ow stop hitting me ow ow)

I know this was said in jest. But...

https://archives.erfworld.com/Book%203/284

Were Buck and the other Dirtamancers acting as agents of Charlescomm? Are we about to find out that the contract penalises Charlescomm for each decrypted individual harmed? That could also be a good reason for Stanley to be yelling at Parson...
I guess the site's going to need a new background. Maybe something with Stanley pointing and yelling at Parson as the main piece, with Parson shrugging. Funeral background, maybe featuring the Hamstard as the priest.
I left to see if things would get better, they got worse. Too bad. Erfworld ends at book 2 for me. Goodbye.
I'm going to call it now. I don't buy that Wanda's death is genuine. It happened off-screen, and I'm pretty sure that between a dirtmancer, a carnymancer, a thinka...doll(?)and a tapped-out croakmancer attuned to an arkentool, they could easily create a fake body. I mean, she doesn't even have any wounds.
P.S. Is it just me, or is Wanda's skirt REALLY short in the final image?
Diodri wrote:
I left to see if things would get better, they got worse. Too bad. Erfworld ends at book 2 for me. Goodbye.

Shrug.

For me it has gotten steadily better. The depth in this story is incredible.