Book 4 - Page 198

A little-training

Book 4 - Page 198
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drachefly wrote:
Shoot. I'd thought that Big Think's anti-cheating measure including making sure that everyone's portal was kipi-ed, not just the tutelaries, which was why I thought Caesar was going to crash through.

But if Sizemore knows enough to see that it hasn't been done yet, then Transylvito's portal is not kipi-ed. Or is Sizemore just working on the juice refill and hasn't noticed that the kipi is already done?


There has been no communication between Big Think or Wanda's party with the Parson or the rest of Gobwin Knob. Only Charlie, maybe the fox force fiver's and the aformentioned people know that you can get juice from a portal column.

Therefore we can conclude that Sizemore is only attempting to kipi the portal.
I bet Sizemore will succeed and with that, ladies and gents, WE ARE IN BUSINESS.
I think Jack collapsed because an extremely high level warlord smashed into him like he was tissue paper.
DunkelMentat wrote:
I think Jack collapsed because an extremely high level warlord smashed into him like he was tissue paper.

Or Wanda got dusted on the rocks.

Edit: though to offer a counter to my own theory, Ace is also Decrypted and he looks just fine.
alowe wrote:
DunkelMentat wrote:
I think Jack collapsed because an extremely high level warlord smashed into him like he was tissue paper.

Or Wanda got dusted on the rocks.

Edit: though to offer a counter to my own theory, Ace is also Decrypted and he looks just fine.


Wanda is not decrypted (yet), therefore at the most she croaked.

As for Ace being fine, the treasury just jumped so this page is happening before Jack got struck down by something (possibly Wanda croaking). If Wanda truly croaked then Bonnie and Ace should react shortly, perhaps in the next update (if the viewpoint does not change).
Bandaid wrote:
drachefly wrote:
Shoot. I'd thought that Big Think's anti-cheating measure including making sure that everyone's portal was kipi-ed, not just the tutelaries, which was why I thought Caesar was going to crash through.

But if Sizemore knows enough to see that it hasn't been done yet, then Transylvito's portal is not kipi-ed. Or is Sizemore just working on the juice refill and hasn't noticed that the kipi is already done?


There has been no communication between Big Think or Wanda's party with the Parson or the rest of Gobwin Knob. Only Charlie, maybe the fox force fiver's and the aformentioned people know that you can get juice from a portal column.

Therefore we can conclude that Sizemore is only attempting to kipi the portal.


He's attempting it, yes. But there's no telling whether he will accidentally discover something else.
Bandaid wrote:
drachefly wrote:
Shoot. I'd thought that Big Think's anti-cheating measure including making sure that everyone's portal was kipi-ed, not just the tutelaries, which was why I thought Caesar was going to crash through.

But if Sizemore knows enough to see that it hasn't been done yet, then Transylvito's portal is not kipi-ed. Or is Sizemore just working on the juice refill and hasn't noticed that the kipi is already done?

There has been no communication between Big Think or Wanda's party with the Parson or the rest of Gobwin Knob. Only Charlie, maybe the fox force fiver's and the aformentioned people know that you can get juice from a portal column.

Therefore we can conclude that Sizemore is only attempting to kipi the portal.

While Sizemore is indeed attempting to hack/kipi the portal column, it is possible that in working out what he needs to do, he makes a serendipitous discovery (as Silverplated has pointed out above): that the portals are powered by juice, that the columns channel it, and that it can be tapped.

The battery-shaped 'charging / 98%' effect can be interpreted both ways, as has been pointed out.

What interests me is that Parson is getting Sizemore to imagine that he is in a linkup.

A linkup allows caster's minds to 'merge' and share ways of thinking and of sensing the world around them. Such as seeing a volcano as a croaked body.

Parson is teaching Sizemore to do this without being in a linkup. You forget (most of) what you have learnt in a linkup. But this is something Sizemore can retain. If so, he would be the second caster that has been in touch with Parson who learns to look at the world around them with
a broader view than that of their original discipline. Maggie opened up to Date-a-mancy. Who knows what Sizemore may achieve.
Umbrathor wrote:
While Sizemore is indeed attempting to hack/kipi the portal column, it is possible that in working out what he needs to do, he makes a serendipitous discovery (as Silverplated has pointed out above): that the portals are powered by juice, that the columns channel it, and that it can be tapped.

The battery-shaped 'charging / 98%' effect can be interpreted both ways, as has been pointed out.

What interests me is that Parson is getting Sizemore to imagine that he is in a linkup.

A linkup allows caster's minds to 'merge' and share ways of thinking and of sensing the world around them. Such as seeing a volcano as a croaked body.

Parson is teaching Sizemore to do this without being in a linkup. You forget (most of) what you have learnt in a linkup. But this is something Sizemore can retain. If so, he would be the second caster that has been in touch with Parson who learns to look at the world around them with
a broader view than that of their original discipline. Maggie opened up to Date-a-mancy. Who knows what Sizemore may achieve.

Sure, maybe. But Ivan didn't know that there was available juice there, and it's not clear that Charlie does either. As far as we know, that trick required Big Think's extensive knowledge about the nature of magic, shockamancy and juice to make the logical leaps necessary.

I agree that the "Charging" imagery could match Sizemore refilling his juice, if he did, but I simply don't believe that he'd stumble upon this fact on his own. Not when he's been thusfar unable to understand anything about other disciplines. It just doesn't seem reasonable, given the conditions required for Ivan to learn it.

I think Sizemore's decent at his job, but Ivan's better and he simply never got there on his own.
Shouldn't Sizemore be wearing some kind of Insulating Glove, for this?

Could this be a non-signamancy mechanism by which a permanent maiming could be sustained, requiring the creation of a dollamancy prosthetic, similar to Claude's eyes?
Since nesting quotes is limited to three, I'm presenting several quotes in chronological order:

Henning Makholm wrote:
We've been assuming that what Big Think was doing was simply to make temples in many of the other capitals. But suppose what they actually did was to set up a mechanism such that all of the other portals auto-copy every nonstandard enhancement that happens to Gobwin Knob's?

Mecharic wrote:
That would be just like Big Think, honestly. But not specifically Gobwin Knobs, but rather, any change made to a portal would be replicated across all portals. They were trying to make the game fair - GK had a thinking tower, so they gave everyone else thinking towers too. In seeking to make the game fair, it is likely they attempted to build a self-updating mechanism that ensures that all portals & columns are identical in function.

Umbrathor wrote:
There is not a chance that Big Think kipi'd (many) other portals. Kipi'ing a portal needs to be done from inside the portal chamber. To enter a portal chamber from the MK underground, requires breaking the collar, thus shattering portal fragments (dorito's) that one can access. A potentially lethal procedure that Big Think has, to our knowledge, done only once, at Spacerock. All of the other portal columns we have seen that Big Think modified had their collar intact, until Joe Spade broke the one on ICFYS.

There is a tiny chance that the portal whose collar Ivan accidentally broke, which led to the initial discovery of collars and what happens when they break, was the TV portal. We have no reason to think it was, though.

In the unlikely case that it was the TV collar, it means that anyone can enter TV from underground. If anyone does, that will happen after Ceasar flies into the portal. Or at the exact same time he enters it, with time being relative.

Mecharic wrote:
One, I never said that Big Think directly kipi'd the towers, only that they likely sought to create a permanent balancing mechanism to keep all sides equal in terms of towers/portals/the MK. They could have created a mechanism that copies the changes made to one Portal Column to be spread across them all. Two, they already showed that in their current state they can awaken a tower/column from the MK, whereas before it was only ever done from the City-side of things, so there's no certainty that they can't also kipi portals from the MK.

On the "unlikely" case that it was the TV collar, if Fate is an all-encompassing entity rather than prophecies given the ability to fulfill themselves than it is entirely possible it's been planning for this moment for a long time. It depends on if Fate is done with Caesar or not, really - if it is, he's probably not gonna make it. If it isn't, he's probably fine.

I'd also like to note that at this point Erfworld could realistically be called "Doing the Impossible, a Three Step Guide", so I'm not willing to put anything on the "cannot have been done" list until such is confirmed in-cannon... and even then, it's a little iffy lol

My post was meant as a reply to the people who hope that Caesar will survive. Some pose that maybe the TV portal has been kipi'd by Big Think, Henning Makholm and you have posited a variation. It was an oversight not to address that variation in my post, thus creating a misunderstanding. My apologies to both of you.

The comic states that Big Think set out to even the playing field by awakening all the portal columns. To imagine that he may have also invented and implemented a second scheme, which the comic has never hinted at in any way and which requires knowledge that has never even been alluded to, is improbable to the hightest degree. Even when taking into account that this comic is rife with unexpected plot twists. Those twists are often foreshadowed in some way and seldom take the form of dei ex machina, which would be the case here.

Secondly, you state that it is not certain that portals cannot be hacked/kipi'd from the MK, because Big Think could awaken a tower/column from the MK. That is like saying that maybe ducks can grow whiskers, because cats can, too.
If Ivan thought that it would be possible to hack a portal from below bedrock, he would not have suggested taking the potentially lethal risk of removing the portal collar first.

You are letting hope cloud your better judgement.