Book 5 - Prologue 26

Spoke to the Trees

Book 5 - Prologue 26
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And to expand on, what Carl said above, swords are misrepresented in games like D & D , and modern television and movies. The most available armor was called gambeson (what D&D would refer to as cloth armor), and even that was almost impervious to swords. Polearms dominated the battlefield. Swords were a backup weapon.

And when people talk about rapiers, they usually mean foil. A foil is a sport dueling weapon. A rapier is a long narrow sword, that is just heavy as a normal sword, and is meant mostly for thrusting. Its weight and center of gravity is such that it allows you to put a lot of power in a thrust, but not easily move the sword around. There are better swords for dueling. If it was portrayed accurately in role playing games, the rapier would be a strength based weapon for fighters and not a dex based one for rogues.
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None of this matters for erfworld though. Erfworld is based on pop cultures view of the weapons, and not history.
Glenn wrote:
greycat wrote:
Arci wrote:

So, either Paige REALLY doesn't know how to describe her own sword (unlikely, with Noah there to help her understand it) or Fumo has a REALLY bad weapon.
Well, the feral Warlady Paige managed to survive, level up to level 6 by croaking wildlife, and capture a capital site, not necessarily in that order, using this sword. So it can't be entirely worthless, whatever opinion she has of it.
I suspect that most of Paige's levels were gained by writing, rather than by hunting animals. She sees her writing as preparation for writing the book attacking the Titans. So every page she writes is training for the biggest war of all.

Not sure if you're serious.... There's no evidence that "theorycrafting" about warfare gives any experience points. If that were the case, we'd expect Parson to be higher level than he is.

Paige had many thousandturns of survival experience as a barbarian before becoming a Ruler and starting her writing career. This is canon from the toolshed (Art Blog).
Sir Dr D wrote:
If it was portrayed accurately in role playing games, the rapier would be a strength based weapon for fighters and not a dex based one for rogues.

To say nothing of bows.
greycat wrote:
Paige had many thousandturns of survival experience as a barbarian before becoming a Ruler and starting her writing career. This is canon from the toolshed (Art Blog).

Minor point - IIRC, Paige's xp wasn't from surviving as a Barbarian. She claimed Nestly's capitol and became Ruler very early in her life. But the city defenses were so porous, ferals came in and attacked regularly. So she got her xp as Ruler of Nestly, fighting ferals all over the island AND attacking her inside her city.
Yes, that's a fair point. Originally I said we were uncertain of the order in which everything occurred, but this wording got dropped when I was forced to repeat myself.

The real point I'm trying to make is that she did not level up by writing books.
It took me way, waaaaay too many times rereading the last passage to realize he meant her sword looked identical to Fumo's, and not that her sword looked identical to...her own sword. That was a serious divide-by-zero moment for me
Greycat, I agree that Paige probably couldn't level through "theory crafting" about war. But I don't agree that in any way describes what Paige is trying to do through her writing. She is trying to develop the skills and eloquence to undermine the fundamental theological assumptions of Erfworld society. Given the difficulty of her struggle, and its fundamentally political and warlike nature, I can understand why she tells Sugar that she fights the war every day.
Glenn wrote:
Greycat, I agree that Paige probably couldn't level through "theory crafting" about war. But I don't agree that in any way describes what Paige is trying to do through her writing. She is trying to develop the skills and eloquence to undermine the fundamental theological assumptions of Erfworld society. Given the difficulty of her struggle, and its fundamentally political and warlike nature, I can understand why she tells Sugar that she fights the war every day.

Artemis (https://wiki.erfworld.com/Artemis) reached a comparable level to Paige through training instead of direct combat. It could (and should) be argued that training the mind with war games is just as relevant as training the body on a straw dummy. I'd say Paige's writing qualifies as training in that regard, which has canonically been shown to grant a small amount of experience.
Arci wrote:
Lord_Of_The_Ravenspire wrote:
The thing was good for duelling- especially if you could find an opponent who was armed with the same silly weapon - but she hadn't used it for anything but sport in who-knows-how-many hundredturns.
HMMMM...


I'm no professional of swords, but I do like to look up a few tidbits here and there. This line about the sword being only any good when up against another opponent armed with the same weapon told me immediately "rapier". It's so light and flimsy that unless your opponent is completely unarmored, and I mean COMPLETELY... then the only way you're going to land any kind of blow worth anything is being an absolute professional.

I'm sorry but this is incorrect. Rapiers are long, heavy swords. The confusion comes from mixing them up with smallswords, and from Hollywood & stage fencing where the props are light and quick.

Rapiers are duelling weapons par exellence, as they have great reach and the ability to quickly deliver lethal thrusts from range. It is however true that they are not terribly useful on the battlefield, as they are optimised for 1 vs. 1 duelling, and of only limited use against armour.

These are smallswords
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Where as these are rapiers
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Cjc wrote:

Artemis (https://wiki.erfworld.com/Artemis) reached a comparable level to Paige through training instead of direct combat.

Artemis leveled once through training (not writing), from level 6 to level 7. This was so incredibly noteworthy that it got everyone's attention and has been held up as "the exception that proves the rule" ever since.