Book 5 - Prologue 25

Tower Power

Book 5 - Prologue 25
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Lipkin wrote:
canabal wrote:
I like the art! I do think Paige’s head is just a hair too large for the rest of her body (or is it her left arm that’s too small?), but that’s minor. Much as I enjoy all this text, I’m excited to see an update entirely of panels so we get a sense of how that looks.

I think that was probably by design, to lend the art a more cartoony, erfy look. Not being cartoony enough was one of the main complaints of previous updates in the new style.

It's reminiscent of Jamie's book 1 art, actually - "Realistic chibi". Not Xin, but still ERF. I also think Paige's pose in this update is just fine.

I think what will be critically important in the 3D conversion process is to get WANDA right. (Granted she's croaked as far as we know.) IIRC, one of the big beefs with David's Book 3 art is that Wanda didn't look right. Most of the characters will get benefit of the doubt if they're off, but not Wanda.

Also - just thinking out loud here - I'm pretty sure that since much of the next book will revolve around the awakened towers the conversion to 3D will be just fine. It looks like the 3D technique works quite well for cities/structures, and the towers will be main characters in the story. Page layouts like the links below with "talking head" text on top of a larger tower/3D art image is a good design to keep the story moving for updates based around character interaction, without fussing too much over the "people" art. As long as the technique is not overused. :D

https://archives.erfworld.com/Book%204/147
https://archives.erfworld.com/Book%204/113
https://archives.erfworld.com/Book%204/178
Arci wrote:
Krennson wrote:
Arci wrote:
I dunno what these towers are, but I hope we can find out soon because until then I have another name for them... ANNOYING. :P


i'm not certain that the Tower would know that... Towers only seem to have knowledge about their own side based on what information was routinely available AT THE TIME OF THEIR CREATION.


I'm not sure HUEHUE would agree with that...

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"Cheap tourist trash!" said the tower. "I popped you, Dollamancer. We both know what broken garbage you are. But you are ten thousand times better work than your play-pretend fake imitation golem people. Even that one. Even the one below. They live only in your broken head!"

(bold by me)


The temples appear to have the knowledge that the towers would have if said towers were conscious and aware at the time.


Maybe. I could see that argument going either way...

Does the tower know that the Dollamancer was popped here and is a broken soul because everyone else currently in the capital city ALSO knows that?

Or does the tower remember that because the Dollamancer spent their entire life inside the capital city where the tower was?

But either way, there are definitely limits to what the Tower knows about things occurring outside the capital city, to units not of the same side. Especially in the distant past.
Krennson wrote:
Arci wrote:

The temples appear to have the knowledge that the towers would have if said towers were conscious and aware at the time.

Maybe. I could see that argument going either way...

Does the tower know that the Dollamancer was popped here and is a broken soul because everyone else currently in the capital city ALSO knows that?

Or does the tower remember that because the Dollamancer spent their entire life inside the capital city where the tower was?


Arci is right on the money (and tipped.) We have canon affirmation in answer to all those questions, and it comes from Templeton:

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"Well Marie, if you'll forgive me for verbalizing it aloud, you're a bit of an enigma to me as well!" said the polished sandstone totem. "You're not any unit I amalgamated. You'll just have to tell me all your motivations if you want me to know what you're really about."


So for any "amalgamated" unit (lots of implications to that Language), the tower has knowledge of their personality and history.

Edit: Templeton, not Huehue. Too much archive archaeology...
Arci, Aion, I think you're both making assumptions too far beyond what's necessary. It may simply be that a tower is able to sense who is of their side or not. If so then Huehue would empirically know that Bill must have come from him, as the tower is the entity that pops units.

I don't know what dogs can smell, but they seem to be able to understand relationships based on scent alone, so it's not like it would be that far-fetched of an idea. (Ha. See what I did there?)
Fla_Panther wrote:
Arci, Aion, I think you're both making assumptions too far beyond what's necessary. It may simply be that a tower is able to sense who is of their side or not. If so then Huehue would empirically know that Bill must have come from him, as the tower is the entity that pops units.

I don't know what dogs can smell, but they seem to be able to understand relationships based on scent alone, so it's not like it would be that far-fetched of an idea. (Ha. See what I did there?)

Except Marie had already turned by that point (page 137).
I like this art. Though there are textures everywhere, the foreground has simple textures that pop out, and the background is easily understandable when I focus on it. That kind of composition is really impressive to balance. Most paper comics don't bother.

Story wise: I like Sugar, or like him more since he just rolled with his ruler saying rules are lies. Sidestepping that is very clever. Noah may love to bicker with Paige, but Sugar has no such desire, and will only argue what he has to. He prioritizes getting things done more than talking about metaphysics with his Overlady.
Lipkin wrote:
On the subject of upkeep, I know Etsys were listed as having a single shmucker for upkeep.

Valareos wrote:

Even before the picture, I had always had an image of this character looking like Angela Lansbury, particularly in Murder, She Wrote.

Sugar is the tower, not the Ruler. The Ruler is Paige.


Fiine I misread what was being asked. But Paige still reminds me of Angela Lansbury!
I'm so happy to see regularly occurring updates :'D

The writing is wonderful as always. I know that's not what is being asked to critique, but I just want to say so because I miss it so much. It's a mental feast after weeks of plain bread and water.

As for the art, I think it looks much better than previous Pa(i)ges (heh). Paige looks much more human like than before. It's still a bit awkward: the pose doesn't look that natural, and I'm not sure if how the nightgown is hanging on her is helping with that, and her hand on the railing looks off. But still, an improvement!

It's still not what I'd consider Erfworld-like, to be honest. While I absolutely love the story, Xin's art is definitely up there in terms of importance to me. I've mentioned it before, but is there no way of having multiple artists that can imitate Xin's art that can divide the art tasks so no one individual person is at risk of burning out? As interesting as it's been to see how the 3D modeling is improving, I just don't know how possible it is to get to the level of Xin's art style with it.

I will continue to support Erfworld as best as I can, though, and I want to say how much I appreciate the Erfworld Team for continuing to do their best! ]8\
Valareos wrote:
Fiine I misread what was being asked. But Paige still reminds me of Angela Lansbury!

Really? I see Phyllis Diller when I look at her.
Cjc wrote:
Valareos wrote:
Fiine I misread what was being asked. But Paige still reminds me of Angela Lansbury!

Really? I see Phyllis Diller when I look at her.


I dunno if this helps, but Neko recommended Gloria Swanson, and Mr. Goodwraith found the pics that matches Paige in her outfit here.

*sigh* Titans, I miss the old art so much T^T.