Book 5 - Prologue 19

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Book 5 - Prologue 19
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Red wrote:
Pents would also force half the hexes to point east/west instead of the proper north/south. That or there'd have to be enough non-euclidean handwavium to constrain constant fidelity of orientation that you could do without pents anyway.

Spherical geometry is already non-euclidean. ;)

Even with a large sphere/small hexes, there should be enough evidence for appropriate casters (Mathamancers? Lookamancers? Linked?) to notice. And Charlie would be taking advantage of it.
Caprice wrote:
I'm curious what about these maps implies Titanic deceit or treachery though.

I think her argument is of a larger point, something about sides and rulers have divine purpose and blessing. It's one thing for a random, wild hex to change or delete. It would be another for that to happen to a kingdom.

It seems to me the whole point of the previous story was "Look how the Titans spawned a perfectly good warlord in the middle of nowhere just so he could die."

The Titanic deceit seems to be that any of what happens matters. Rulers believe it matters, that there's a plan.
I wonder if the land was eaten for juice.

Looking at you, Charlie.
I believe the answer to a 3 dimensional hex world is rhombic dodecahedrons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombic_dodecahedron). I had been looking into something else similarly to answer that question. They are able to be used for perfect alignment using only that shape. It's dissection is a hexagon made of 3 of the shapes' rhomboid sides.

Hex coordinates in a 2 dimensional plane has different options (https://www.redblobgames.com/grids/hexagons/), but basically works x + y + z = 0 or q + r + s = 0 depending on how you want to notate things. Adding elevation into the mix makes things complicated as well, so I'm still trying to sort that out. My current though is treating the origin point (all 0's) as the center of the world of Erf in this case, but that ends up with some weird thought processes.
kc2dpt wrote:
Caprice wrote:
I'm curious what about these maps implies Titanic deceit or treachery though.

I think her argument is of a larger point, something about sides and rulers have divine purpose and blessing. It's one thing for a random, wild hex to change or delete. It would be another for that to happen to a kingdom.

It seems to me the whole point of the previous story was "Look how the Titans spawned a perfectly good warlord in the middle of nowhere just so he could die."

The Titanic deceit seems to be that any of what happens matters. Rulers believe it matters, that there's a plan.

I think everything we have heard from/about Paige is consistent with her being a deist (and probably a scorist as well). If so, her great secret would be that the Titans left (presumably to Ark) long ago. Their lies are are all the parts of scripture that claim they are still involved in the world. This is why she doesn't challenge hexatonic drift, only that the Titans are controlling it.

Paige Turner wrote:
Forests may grow where a meadow once stood, a mountain may rise or dwindle, or a desert may bloom, all of their own accord.

Or, as scripture would have it, by the Titan's own hand. I do have some reason to doubt this claim, as you shall see.

tadthornhill wrote:
Orrrr, the whole point of this is that it's an example of Paige's paranoia.

Let's say Erfish scripture is accurate, in that it describes how the Titans maintain Erfworld. If they've got an automatic program running that only modifies unobserved hexes at random, then imagine:
Code:

Do
     Choose Random Hex=(x,y)
While IsUnobserved(Hex(x,y))=true
Modify(Hex(x,y))

This may well be what Paige thinks is happening. If it was true, then Scripture would be not be accurate because it isn't the Titans doing it.
edwardfaz wrote:
I believe the answer to a 3 dimensional hex world is rhombic dodecahedrons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombic_dodecahedron). I had been looking into something else similarly to answer that question. They are able to be used for perfect alignment using only that shape. It's dissection is a hexagon made of 3 of the shapes' rhomboid sides.

I don't think this works, at least assuming that there are lines of hexes along the edges of the polyhedron. A rhombic dodecahedron has 8 vertexes where the flattish corners of 3 faces come together, and the hexagons work there. But it also has 6 vertexes where the pointy corners of 4 faces come together, and each of these would correspond to a square "hex".
infiniplex wrote:
kc2dpt wrote:
Caprice wrote:
I'm curious what about these maps implies Titanic deceit or treachery though.

I think her argument is of a larger point, something about sides and rulers have divine purpose and blessing. It's one thing for a random, wild hex to change or delete. It would be another for that to happen to a kingdom.

It seems to me the whole point of the previous story was "Look how the Titans spawned a perfectly good warlord in the middle of nowhere just so he could die."

The Titanic deceit seems to be that any of what happens matters. Rulers believe it matters, that there's a plan.

I think everything we have heard from/about Paige is consistent with her being a deist (and probably a scorist as well). If so, her great secret would be that the Titans left (presumably to Ark) long ago. Their lies are are all the parts of scripture that claim they are still involved in the world. This is why she doesn't challenge hexatonic drift, only that the Titans are controlling it.

Paige Turner wrote:
Forests may grow where a meadow once stood, a mountain may rise or dwindle, or a desert may bloom, all of their own accord.

Or, as scripture would have it, by the Titan's own hand. I do have some reason to doubt this claim, as you shall see.

tadthornhill wrote:
Orrrr, the whole point of this is that it's an example of Paige's paranoia.

Let's say Erfish scripture is accurate, in that it describes how the Titans maintain Erfworld. If they've got an automatic program running that only modifies unobserved hexes at random, then imagine:
Code:

Do
     Choose Random Hex=(x,y)
While IsUnobserved(Hex(x,y))=true
Modify(Hex(x,y))

This may well be what Paige thinks is happening. If it was true, then Scripture would be not be accurate because it isn't the Titans doing it.


Depends how you define "do".

That said i actually think Paige might turn out to be a boomerang bigot of sorts. The fact that she has this weird sixth sense that makes her even more paranoid than King Dickie of all people, (Seriously), and she turned up in the one place where it mattered. I can't help but feel her entire existence is a ridiculously long series of coincidences. There's somthing about this whole situation that stinks to high heaven and i can't help but feel that somthing or someone is involved in this. And for once i don't think it's charlie.

So another nigh omnipotent mastermind with amazing manipulation capabilities loose in erfworld and it isn't parson or anyone else we can see any sign of. Isn't that a scary thought.
The thing about hextonic drift that I don't see anyone commenting on is that it might explain why units may spawn in terrain they're woefully unprepared for. Hexes change, but the spawn tables stay the same.
Anomynous 167 wrote:
The thing about hextonic drift that I don't see anyone commenting on is that it might explain why units may spawn in terrain they're woefully unprepared for. Hexes change, but the spawn tables stay the same.

Or spawn tables change over time as well, but with imperfect coordination. Possibly when some feral or barbarian dies first turn, that same type then becomes fractionally less likely to pop in that hex, resulting in natural selection. Dwagons are well-adapted to the Minty Mountains, so they show up relatively frequently there. If the base pop rate of barbarian warlords in general is already fairly low, selection for or against specific specials within that category could easily lag far behind terrain shifts. That would also help explain why so few sides are aware of the phenomenon: well-scouted terrain is geographically stable, so the local bestiary can fine-tune itself. Noah mentioned that he hasn't ever actually seen non-aquatic units pop in the ocean and then immediately drown, just has nightmares about the possibility.
Carl wrote:
That said i actually think Paige might turn out to be a boomerang bigot of sorts. The fact that she has this weird sixth sense that makes her even more paranoid than King Dickie of all people, (Seriously), and she turned up in the one place where it mattered. I can't help but feel her entire existence is a ridiculously long series of coincidences. There's somthing about this whole situation that stinks to high heaven and i can't help but feel that somthing or someone is involved in this. And for once i don't think it's charlie.

So another nigh omnipotent mastermind with amazing manipulation capabilities loose in erfworld and it isn't parson or anyone else we can see any sign of. Isn't that a scary thought.


Well, there is still the matter of what Fate is exactly. Way back when, there were these debates on if Fate is an impersonal force or a person/deity/Titan. If Fate is a person, it's certainly fits the description.