Book 4 - Epilogue 2

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Book 4 - Epilogue 2
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Lazuul wrote:
Anomynous 167 wrote:
At this point I don't think you can end a side anymore. Any guilt the Tutelaries feel not withstanding, towers are just too darn Loyal to their own selves to let their sides end.

Going back to what Isaac said, waay back:
Book 3 Page 59 wrote:
“I think it has a very strong sense of Loyalty, actually,” said Isaac. “Your casters uncovered something primal about Erfworld, that cities in a sense like to be owned. That they enjoy being fought over. I’d say it’s something important to our understanding of Erfworld.”

And Loyalty is thinkamancy (same goes for Duty too), and Isaac know's his thinkamancy (and by the way, the enthasis was not added by me in the quote).


Actually, it may just be a resistance to the city falling without being taken, thus not fought over. I believe there's was speculation back when Jed first came to be on how much he would want to be fought over, and thus unhappy in such a scary no- touch side.

I know that there was discussion about towers liking being fought over, I was there. And I feel we have put too much weight on the words "enjoy being fought over".

Charlescomm could have very well taken on the Neutral city of Transilvito, after the Side of Transilvito fell (never mind taking and holding cities is against Charlescomm's MO).

While it may or may not be true that cities like being fought for, I feel like they fear being raised so they put extra effort into preserving who owns them (if they don't then their owners may feel like their sentiance can be a burden, and may raize them after feeling the Tutelary has been disloyal in the event of a winning battle).
tomaO2 wrote:
Why would Shirley/Charlie would agree to sign a contract with someone that was dittoing a signature?

Because it was the only option. Prisoners cannot Sign. Caesar could only Sign after being freed and repatriated, which would have meant giving up CC's only bargaining chip. At that pioint Caesar could have simply flipped Shirley off.

By the way (and this has been mentioned in another reply), Shirley Ditto-Signed for Charlie too.

tomaO2 wrote:
Given that a ditto lasts until dawn, this means that if Caesar refused to recognise it (which he did), then the contract would have dissolved anyway come dawn.

The Signer would have dissolved, not the Signature. A contract does not dissolve when a Signee is croaked or disbanded.

I do love your idea though.
neko wrote:
So I've been thinking a bit about Bunny and the Velveteen Rabbit set up. Yes, this update seems to imply there's no coming back for Bunny. Her G-String completely unraveled due to the GMTTA's Baddie spell, and in this update Huey says, "Bunny had died hard, harder than Casear knew a person could die. Closer words in Language might be: nullified, dismantled, overwritten, rubbed out." Between the String Thing and the Bats having consumed (at least most of) her corpse, there does indeed seem like there's a Fashion Bunny Doll hanging around with no potential story payoff.

There is, but we not see it yet. After all, this story is rife with unexpected turns and twists.

A logical payoff would have something to do with the phenomenon of Living Dolls. Both Wanda and now Maggie (the Magionette) have been involved with them. Isaac tried to survive in a Living Doll version of the action figure.

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Quoting neko: But what if -(speculation)- there was a friendly Thinkamancer in the neighborhood who had perhaps bent her mind orthogonally, and was now also a Date-a-mancer? Bunny's G-string and body are destroyed past Decryptability. But H-strings are different that G-strings, and just as powerful. H-strings are feelings. They connect hearts, not heads. H-strings are Date-a-mancy. They carry emotional data.

I posit that the Baddie spell may have trashed Bunny's G-string, but left her H-string fully intact. Mostly b/c the GMTTA were arrogant and blind to the possibility that there could be any other kind of String as powerful as the G-string. And ...

neko wrote:

..if Maggie were able to get some juice (maybe when the Turn refreshes) she could possibly attach Bunny's H-string to the Fashion Bunny Doll, thereby "Telling the Fashion Doll to be Bunny."

[Speculation on how this is done, and what kind of Bunny it would result in]
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I'm not sure how the mechanics of it will work, but it will probably involve Huey. Huey is a head. A head is a mind. A living place for a string to run. The makaleka received it's Upkeep through Bill's H-string. The H-string was the bond that Jed used to send juice to Maggie. Thus Huey can use an H-string bond to send juice to the Fashion Bunny doll as well as provide Upkeep, if properly attached.

Maggie is a Thinkamancer with nascent Date-a-mancer abilities. She may be able to both implant Bunny's remaining H-string to the Fashion Doll, but also directly re-attach the H-string to Huey (the source of upkeep). Possibly via a link-up with Benny, in order to give Maggie direct access to Huey b/c she's only an Allied caster, not a TV unit. Also, with help from the Moneymancy discipline that involves managing Upkeep. Moneymancy is Numbers. Date-a-mancy is Numbers. Dittomancy is Numbers. Bunny's Number lives somewhere in Huey's head. Caesar's 1st and foremost wish was that Bunny live. If any rules need to be broken to do this thing, I think Huey will be onboard.

As someone else previously mentioned, if Bunny comes back it will be at a much different level of experience due to the "newness" of the G-string that was transcribed onto the Doll when Bill first made it (Bunny was only Adept in Thinkamancy at the time). But the H-string will be the fully developed, experienced, and mature Bunny personality.


Also, the Isaac Doll is precedent for a higher form of Doll being able to cast if it has the experience and the juice, which Fashion Bunny would have; Adept level G-string when the Doll was made, and an H-string that attaches to the Tutelary ie the conduit of juice from the Source. If this theory holds true, Maggie will have created the 1st "Real" Doll on Erf.

The Isaac Doll was never a higher form of doll. It was an action figure with Isaac's incredibly long string bound to its own very short one (This is a quote from a page, I could look it up for you if needed). It is also written that the action figure was now a barbarian under Isaac's command. (Same page probably.)

The doll could not cast. Isaac could cast through it, in some ways, such as Thinkagramming, but not in others, such as opening Trees. I have speculated on the Action Figure Meets Pliers page that Isaac's Thinkamancy capabilities croaked with his body. Whether any part of his string is stil bound to the Action Figure, or whether the figure now merely thinks (not Thinks!) it is a Thinkamancer, is unknown.

I consider it likely that Isaac casting through the action figure can be compared to Charlie casting through that same action figure, when destoying the Temple. Charlie did it by remote link using the Arkendish. Isaac could do it due to the actions of Big Think, who made a connection using some of the Bad insights on the interplay between Thinkamancy and Dollamancy.
Umbrathor wrote:
neko wrote:
So I've been thinking a bit about Bunny and the Velveteen Rabbit set up. Yes, this update seems to imply there's no coming back for Bunny. Her G-String completely unraveled due to the GMTTA's Baddie spell, and in this update Huey says, "Bunny had died hard, harder than Casear knew a person could die. Closer words in Language might be: nullified, dismantled, overwritten, rubbed out." Between the String Thing and the Bats having consumed (at least most of) her corpse, there does indeed seem like there's a Fashion Bunny Doll hanging around with no potential story payoff.

There is, but we not see it yet. After all, this story is rife with unexpected turns and twists.

A logical payoff would have something to do with the phenomenon of Living Dolls. Both Wanda and now Maggie (the Magionette) have been involved with them. Isaac tried to survive in a Living Doll version of the action figure.

Spoiler: show
Quoting neko: But what if -(speculation)- there was a friendly Thinkamancer in the neighborhood who had perhaps bent her mind orthogonally, and was now also a Date-a-mancer? Bunny's G-string and body are destroyed past Decryptability. But H-strings are different that G-strings, and just as powerful. H-strings are feelings. They connect hearts, not heads. H-strings are Date-a-mancy. They carry emotional data.

I posit that the Baddie spell may have trashed Bunny's G-string, but left her H-string fully intact. Mostly b/c the GMTTA were arrogant and blind to the possibility that there could be any other kind of String as powerful as the G-string. And ...


I don't think Bill's work was Checkov's anything. It was supposed to be Bill's final act of goodness in Transilvito before everything dogpiled. Bunny ain't just dead, she's deader than dead. Infact, since all the bats ate her corpse, that makes her deader than deader than dead. Any heart string-socket her body once had is gone.
This is all just one big tragic clusterfuck since everyone's been lying to TV.
Ansan Gotti wrote:
Lipkin wrote:
This didn't come out of left field. If you think it did, you need to reread the story.
Totally agree. It’s one thing to say it wasn’t foreshadowed enough to suit a person’s preferences, but another thing entirely to claim there wasn’t any foreshadowing at all (or worse, the tired deus ex machina claim, which is actually a pejorative the vast majority of the time).
I'll third this.

I understand why people are upset, but I believe they're too focused on the present. It's just like when Big Think obliterated Tondy's hit squad: a lot of people reacted to what was in front of them; I said pineapple was Fate/meddling-GM overcompensating to punish an unruly player and Big Think wouldn't last a turn. This is no different. I already said what I believed this was a natural story progression of earlier, so here's where it may be leading.

When Jed was first awoken a lot of things got foreshadowed. I've seen the bold faced parts repeated here and, I'm too lazy to see if I was ninja-ed so have mercy when I say I haven't seen anyone mention what Parson said a little after that.

He thought about the Signamancy of that. What did he remember? Something about the islanders depleting their resources to build the heads, then dying out.

I don't recognize the idol for Jillian, but the other three are all associated with some form of human sacrifice or self-destruction, either in history or fiction. We've seen that they can steal Juice or pay Schmuckers for Juice. It's likely they always had the ability to allocate Juice at will but it was sort of on autopilot while the Temples were offline. My guess is the Source is infinitely refilling but not limitless on a single turn.

Jed or Huehue stealing what they did from it may not have been an issue, but when all the Temples see each other as cheating and start stealing all at once, whose attention might that draw? We've certainly seen how fast the Temples turn to cheating when they feel victimized by cheating. How far will it go? What happens if the well of the Source gets emptied and someone tries to draw more? Would we see units obliterated to free up Schmuckers to turn back into Juice?

Escalation is what's been happening in this comic since Parson started breaking the world. Big Think figured out that it was a mistake fighting fire [Charlie's cheats] with fire [Parson's] then pineapples Big Dumb Ass went and dropped napalm on every active side. We're entering the next book with the world fundamentally more broken.

Marie foreshadowed that the Temples were something the Titans shut off long ago when she met Templeton. I suspect we're going to see the reason for that. I also suspect the reason is because they made the game unplayable by making themselves too central. It may even result in unlikely alliances to shut the Temples back down again.
The Unlurked wrote:
Marie foreshadowed that the Temples were something the Titans shut off long ago when she met Templeton. I suspect we're going to see the reason for that. I also suspect the reason is because they made the game unplayable by making themselves too central. It may even result in unlikely alliances to shut the Temples back down again.


Well, yeah - they're tutelaries, after all, and the tutorial had to end at some point.

(Yes, I know they're different words. The deep entymology [in Erfworld, Signamancy] is related.)
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Erfworld is going to end when the Source itself awakens and gains sentience. It will bring every lasting harmony with it. The end.
The Jed Eyes will be like "May the Source be with you" and the source will respond "Naw, ima chill down here at the center of everything instead."