Book 4 - Epilogue 4

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Book 4 - Epilogue 4
Comic - Book 3 - Page 348
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Darkstar7613 wrote:
OK everyone... enough with the "Dolls are going to auto-attack" garbage.

This is DIRECTLY from the Wiki, and the only contributor to that page is part of Team Erf, so I'm going to call his word good:

"Any two sides that (are) not in alliance and considered hostile are called enemies. Unled units auto-attack enemies."

Corrective word () and emphasis added by me.

If or when CC and TV declare themselves to be hostile - as in, in open conflict with one another, THEN they will auto-attack.

As there is no declaration of hostilities (yet) between those sides, the unled troops will simply stay there, unmoved and non-responsive.

Done. Fin. Drop it. Move on to arguing about something else. It's only page 4, so don't even think about bringing up J-J-J... see, I can't even say it myself.


We all have points we'd rather not have repeated ad nauseum, and we all have days where the point of nausea is sooner than usual.

However, please be a little more kind and accepting of differing viewpoints in the future. Trying to end a point of discussion just because YOU understand a justified interpretation won't help more people understand.

And one reasonable answer may not be the only one. I've appreciated the thought that others have shared on this topic, especially when they share links so I can be better informed of comic sources.

Finally, if there's a mistake with your signature, it's that not even Rob can possibly remember and keep every little detail straight in a decade-long project. Even his Titanic opinion may stand to be better informed. Part of this forum is to point out things that may need some Retconjuration.
Lipkin wrote:
When Bill leaves, will that mean that the other dolls are unlead and forced to auto engage? If so, every punch that Jack or Maggie take is 5 mil from Charlie to GK.

Why would Jack and Maggie have to take a hit when they have fat stacks of bats right outside the door just waiting to be signed over to GK?
Dante wrote:
Lipkin wrote:
When Bill leaves, will that mean that the other dolls are unlead and forced to auto engage? If so, every punch that Jack or Maggie take is 5 mil from Charlie to GK.

Why would Jack and Maggie have to take a hit when they have fat stacks of bats right outside the door just waiting to be signed over to GK?

Because the bats aren't outside the door. They left to eat Bunny, Don, and Roger. And Jack and Maggie are directly in front of the portal, where there is about to be a rushing Billbot screened by dolls.
Jade wrote:

Although as far as I can see, Shirley has done her best to be helpful to Charlie and the Side,

Agreed!

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I think we do need to keep in mind that Big Think is the one who awakened her, and it was for the intention of hurting CC. So it may very well be that this will have some sort of effect on the amount of help, or effectiveness of that help, that Shirley can provide.

But I don't agree with this part. I do not believe that Big Think contributed anything toward Shirley's personality or behavior. Hell, I don't even think they were trying to penalize Charlescomm.

Near as I can tell from the psychotic Kafka ramblings of a broken deiform hive-mind, Big Think's intent was to level the playing field. If one side had an awakened Temple, then every side should have one.
greycat wrote:
Jade wrote:

Although as far as I can see, Shirley has done her best to be helpful to Charlie and the Side,

Agreed!

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I think we do need to keep in mind that Big Think is the one who awakened her, and it was for the intention of hurting CC. So it may very well be that this will have some sort of effect on the amount of help, or effectiveness of that help, that Shirley can provide.

But I don't agree with this part. I do not believe that Big Think contributed anything toward Shirley's personality or behavior. Hell, I don't even think they were trying to penalize Charlescomm.

Near as I can tell from the psychotic Kafka ramblings of a broken deiform hive-mind, Big Think's intent was to level the playing field. If one side had an awakened Temple, then every side should have one.


I think that's being too quick to dismiss everything that was said by BT or its counterparts, when some of the messages presented in the story were entirely lucid and decipherable.

In the page linked here: https://archives.erfworld.com/Book+3/274

The BT stated they wanted a cheat to end all cheats, and more specifically, to beat Charlie the Cheat else he'd win the world, which they obviously didn't want. Especially considering what Charlie had just done to the Great Minds which caused them to become the BT.

So yes, giving every side a tower helps to level the playing field, which is something the BT was interested in, but they were even more interested in leveling the playing field between Charlie and everyone else.

Also, Claude stated when thinking about bringing the tower(s) to life (aka column-golem), that golems are an expression of the caster's will, and that he never questioned their loyalty to their maker. The interesting thing about this is that BT was responsible for waking ALL of the towers except for Jed. Therefore, it stands to reason that all the towers will be naturally led to keep Charlie in check and to keep cheating in check, except for Jed, which is the only tower that was actually created by his respective side, and so he will instead be naturally led by their priorities.

And then on the next page: https://archives.erfworld.com/Book+3/275

BT, when talking about CC's awakened tower (Shirley), said: 'Mm. This dear little mother has sharp claws!'.

While it's true that what a lot of what BT had to say was ambiguous with several possible meanings, this one was pretty straight forward. Especially when you consider Shirley's persona. If nothing else, she has been a 'mother' to Charlie so far, and that has been represented as such in the story and images we've seen about her relationship with him.
Menas wrote:

BT, when talking about CC's awakened tower (Shirley), said: 'Mm. This dear little mother has sharp claws!'.

While it's true that what a lot of what BT had to say was ambiguous with several possible meanings, this one was pretty straight forward.

I dispute that any of the Kafka quotes are straightforward. ;)

This one in particular, I see as an expression of discovery. They didn't know in advance what Shirley's personality would be. Upon meeting her, this was their reaction.
greycat wrote:
Menas wrote:

BT, when talking about CC's awakened tower (Shirley), said: 'Mm. This dear little mother has sharp claws!'.

While it's true that what a lot of what BT had to say was ambiguous with several possible meanings, this one was pretty straight forward.

I dispute that any of the Kafka quotes are straightforward. ;)

This one in particular, I see as an expression of discovery. They didn't know in advance what Shirley's personality would be. Upon meeting her, this was their reaction.


I'm inclined to agree with this being an expression of discovery. They seemed to be pleased with their handiwork ;).
Thought just occurred to me. Remember the entry on the Book of Retcon about the rules that happen when a ruler is captured whilst it is that ruler's turn? https://archives.erfworld.com/Book%203/307

Methinks it was Huehue that was the cause of that retconjuration. The retcon suspiciously happens after Huehue comes into existence, after all.
Chirurgeon wrote:
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Zachar wrote:
Has any caster ever seen another caster in Charles Com livery EVER?!


Is it the CC livery that will get people or the fact that a caster, in CC livery, is coming out of the TV portal.

Am I right to assume that Portal Park is still heavily populated after the Dirt Mansion escape?


Good point good point!

I imagine Portal Park is as populated as usual. It seems there’s always casters moving about and since this doesn’t involve everybody. At least not yet? ::cough::awakened towers::cough:: So we’ll have to see if they (ShirBill)actually make it through. I hope so! Throw some gas on the fire!
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