Book 3 - Page 337

Parson's Flower Journal - Loose Leaves Sink Thieves

Book 3 - Page 337
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FOR HAMSTER’S EYES ONLY

To: Parson Gotti, Ch Wrld, GK

Might I borrow a leaf from your flower album?

I’m trying to take a page from your book, you see.

Hasty regards,

Benjamin, Cf Mmcr, TV


Here you go. What’s up, Benjamin?


Bear with me just a bit longer, homes. The less you know about our predicament, the more likely we are to escape it.


It is true not only that time is money, but that time is money in a higher denomination. Lost money may be recovered, but not lost time!


Likewise, life is the highest denomination of time. Squandered time might be redeemed by future time well invested, but not a squandered life.


All of that is to say the Kingdom of Transylvito screwed up Royally. We lost all your dough, bro. I’m sorry, Parson. But Sign this amendment to our existing bargain, and you may grant us the time to make good on it, by helping us save our own lives. Tell no-one these terms, even your Overlord and especially not your tower.


Sign, wait, receive prizes. Please.


Yours in brotherly love,


Benjamin Franchise, CMcr.


AMENDMENT


In amendment to active terms of alliance between the Toolship of Gobwin Knob (GK) and the Regency of Transylvito (TV), the following condition (Amendment) shall be in force immediately and in perpetuity:


Wherein, TV has failed to provide secure stewardship of Gems, GK agrees to accept a remuneration (Payback) of 25,000,000 Shmuckers from TV for all outstanding grievances under Agreement.


Payback shall be remitted by permission of the Ruler of TV on such a basis and schedule as deemed reasonable, feasible, and expedient by the Ruler of TV or his/her authorized subordinate.


No prior or subsequent automagical agreement by TV with any entity may take precedence over this Agreement. Should TV be required to pay automagical recompense to any entity for any reason, Payback will first be remitted to GK in full by the force of this Amendment.


Should the automagical enforcement of Payback leave TV unable to provide upkeep to units which began the turn dependent on TV for upkeep (Upkeep), GK agrees, if able, to loan the remaining cost of Upkeep to TV for the duration of the Agreement.


Before the Titans, we do swear and Sign:

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kaylasdad99 wrote:
greycat wrote:
kaylasdad99 wrote:
What I CAN’T see is any speculation about non-Shmucker demands that Shirley is presenting to Huehue, and how this clever trick of Benjamin’s is expected to prevent Skyy Queen from being taken by the World Criminal (and other conditions whose fulfillment would be to TV’s detriment).

Ultimately? Wait and see. I'm sure Rob will reveal all in its time.

For now, the obvious thing with Skyy is to order her to turn to Charlescomm, as required by the Contract, and then accept her right back when she immediately turns back to Transylvito of her own free will.

Hope she can do it before Charlie disbands her. Doesn't Charlie have to accept her Turning personally? A CWL (or possibly ANY warlord) could accept in his place; but Charlie doesn't have any of those. It's still up in the air whether Shirley could be Charlie's proxy for that type of transaction.


I think it's different if the destination side asks you to turn. For instance, Jack (a Commander unit) asked Parson to turn, and he decided to, and nothing more needed to be done. Since Charlie is asking for these units to turn, I don't think he needs to accept the turning again after they are ordered to.
Skull the Troll wrote:
greycat wrote:
kaylasdad99 wrote:
What I CAN’T see is any speculation about non-Shmucker demands that Shirley is presenting to Huehue, and how this clever trick of Benjamin’s is expected to prevent Skyy Queen from being taken by the World Criminal (and other conditions whose fulfillment would be to TV’s detriment).

Ultimately? Wait and see. I'm sure Rob will reveal all in its time.

For now, the obvious thing with Skyy is to order her to turn to Charlescomm, as required by the Contract, and then accept her right back when she immediately turns back to Transylvito of her own free will.


I think if it was that easy turnamancers would be out of business. There must be something that prevents a forcibly turned person from just returning. I doubt Parson could have been able to if Charlie hadn't immediately shot him. (as far as he knows) Charlie wouldn't make these requirements if he didn't think he could make them stick.

Pointing out that the only thing keeping Parson from accepting Jack's request that he turn back immediately was the fact that it would have dinged GK for 500K Shmuckers that they didn't have. And the only thing that enabled him to turn after being shot was that Lilith (and several other GK units) were shot at the same time, replenishing GK's treasury.

As to the objection that "Charlie wouldn't make these requirements if he didn't think he could make them stick," Well, I kinda have the impression that when Charlie first drew up the list of demands, his expectation was that they represented a negotiating proffer on his part, which would be formalized into his standard Contract language once agreed to, but prior to actual Signing. Since his plan was essentially rendering TV destitute (and even assuming that with the reversal of the cease-fire, Skyy Turning back to TV would cost TV a million Shmuckers), he probably DID think he could make it stick.
Umbrathor wrote:
I wonder why Charlie wants units turned to his side at ALL. Charlie doesn't want to ave any commander units. So why have them turned to his side. Does he want to just disband them?

Benjamin was right: why does he ask for those specific units. Especially Skyy. What's special about her?
Or does he just want Leadership in TV City? Only reason for that, that I can think of, is if he wants to take the city. That doesn't get him much more then he gets out of the Terms though, so why bother?


Actually, having Leadership in TV City (and Faq, Otoh and/or Kibo in the case of Vinnie) until his Archons can make it there seems like it might be a good idea (from Charlie's perspective). Pretty sure they'd all be subjected to immediate disbandment the moment Archons could secure the cities, though.

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And why not have the units near Faq just turn to Faq?

It never made sense to me that he asked for those units to turn.

You can't force a unit to turn to a side unless you can ensure that that side will accept them. Queen Jillian keeps her own counsel as to whose Turnings she'll accept.
Skull the Troll wrote:

I think if it was that easy turnamancers would be out of business. There must be something that prevents a forcibly turned person from just returning.

I always assumed that Turnamancy (in this context) alters the target's basic Loyalty, so that they want to be on the side they are "forcibly" turned to. Kinda like a much weaker version of what Decryption does.
Skull the Troll wrote:
greycat wrote:
kaylasdad99 wrote:
What I CAN’T see is any speculation about non-Shmucker demands that Shirley is presenting to Huehue, and how this clever trick of Benjamin’s is expected to prevent Skyy Queen from being taken by the World Criminal (and other conditions whose fulfillment would be to TV’s detriment).

Ultimately? Wait and see. I'm sure Rob will reveal all in its time.

For now, the obvious thing with Skyy is to order her to turn to Charlescomm, as required by the Contract, and then accept her right back when she immediately turns back to Transylvito of her own free will.


I think if it was that easy turnamancers would be out of business. There must be something that prevents a forcibly turned person from just returning. I doubt Parson could have been able to if Charlie hadn't immediately shot him. (as far as he knows) Charlie wouldn't make these requirements if he didn't think he could make them stick.

Parson could turn because he felt he was utterly convinced he was worth the 5m cost (and his loyalty to CC was probably nonexistent). Presumably, Skyy and Vinny won't be able to convince themselves that they're worth the 1m penalty each to turn back.
Nimelennar wrote:
kaylasdad99 wrote:
greycat wrote:

Ultimately? Wait and see. I'm sure Rob will reveal all in its time.

For now, the obvious thing with Skyy is to order her to turn to Charlescomm, as required by the Contract, and then accept her right back when she immediately turns back to Transylvito of her own free will.

Hope she can do it before Charlie disbands her. Doesn't Charlie have to accept her Turning personally? A CWL (or possibly ANY warlord) could accept in his place; but Charlie doesn't have any of those. It's still up in the air whether Shirley could be Charlie's proxy for that type of transaction.


I think it's different if the destination side asks you to turn. For instance, Jack (a Commander unit) asked Parson to turn, and he decided to, and nothing more needed to be done. Since Charlie is asking for these units to turn, I don't think he needs to accept the turning again after they are ordered to.

As I recall, Jack made the request AGAIN, after GK’s treasury was massive enough to accommodate it.
I just came to a realization that I didn't recall being mentioned yet. Even if TV does end up giving the city of Faq back to the side of Faq, the city should still end up property of GK. Ansom is the only one in the garrison there. He will claim it by default.
I'm not sure I fully grasp what the whole deal is, but I do think if Parson will take issue with any part of this amendment, it will be this:

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Payback shall be remitted by permission of the Ruler of TV on such a basis and schedule as deemed reasonable, feasible, and expedient by the Ruler of TV or his/her authorized subordinate.


This is a bad time for negotiations, but Frankly, giving Ben an unlimited window to pay back GK sounds like a terrible idea, even as an ally. That's probably the reason for the sweet talk about 'life is the highest currency' in the foreword.

But I'm not clear how this helps them with Charlie. Weren't his demands assets, not Schmuckers?
zbeeblebrox wrote:
I'm not sure I fully grasp what the whole deal is, but I do think if Parson will take issue with any part of this amendment, it will be this:

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Payback shall be remitted by permission of the Ruler of TV on such a basis and schedule as deemed reasonable, feasible, and expedient by the Ruler of TV or his/her authorized subordinate.


This is a bad time for negotiations, but Frankly, giving Ben an unlimited window to pay back GK sounds like a terrible idea, even as an ally. That's probably the reason for the sweet talk about 'life is the highest currency' in the foreword.

But I'm not clear how this helps them with Charlie. Weren't his demands assets, not Schmuckers?

His demands were all the shmuckers that CC was penalized, in addition to an amount equal to the treasury of Faq when it was taken. Plus the cities of Faq, Vanna, Skyy and Vinny, all CC units given safe passage back to CC, and the corpses of Don, Bunny, and Roger.

Altogether, less than what CC stole in gems.
So the overall value of CC's demands is less, and the amendment says GK's contract supercedes future agreements. Which is fine, but does that automagically force everything CC demands to end up with GK instead? Like some kind of asset forfeiture hot potato? Or would it not work that way since it's still the ruler's decision what to give up on both counts?