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alowe wrote:
greycat wrote:
Skull the Troll wrote:

Which brings up a good point, WHY didn't the GMTTA just remote croak Charlie years ago?!?

Standard theory is that it can only be done within the same hex.

There was someone from the MK in TV when Bonnie's life string was cut?

I assume you mean "Bunny's life string" there.

It wasn't cut; it unraveled. It unraveled because it got dissected by the final-warning contingency trigger in her Badness curse. Said curse was almost certainly enacted in person, based on the time that she told the Minds about her first hide golem, and they gave her a truckload of warnings, after which "she returned to Transylvito in ruins."

So apparently, whether or not a string can be cut from a faraway hex (and my guess is on "not," because even a fresh Big Think either couldn't or wouldn't touch Charlie), one can accomplish a similar effect by placing a curse in-person that can go off later. This isn't much help against Mr. Paranoid Floor-Trap, but it's a thought.
Brother Mirtillo wrote:
alowe wrote:

There was someone from the MK in TV when Bonnie's life string was cut?

I assume you mean "Bunny's life string" there.

It wasn't cut; it unraveled. It unraveled because it got dissected by the final-warning contingency trigger in her Badness curse. Said curse was almost certainly enacted in person, based on the time that she told the Minds about her first hide golem, and they gave her a truckload of warnings, after which "she returned to Transylvito in ruins."


Yep. You can set up a spell (in this case a curse) with automagic preconditions. The same as penalty clauses in the various contracts immediately ensue from breaching conditions.
Two things.

First, echoing the supposed current-hex-only limit on string cutting... at least up to a state 8. Seems a likely explanation given available facts.

Second, It takes a state 7 to be able to cut strings without physical or near-physical contact. Based on what people are saying... it seems like people may have forgotten that. A single GM couldn't sneak into Charlie's capital hex and cut his string. They would need to be, at a minimum, in the room with him. And sneaking 7 GMs that far into Charlie's territory seems... unlikely.
JadedDragoon wrote:

Second, It takes a state 7 to be able to cut strings without physical or near-physical contact. Based on what people are saying... it seems like people may have forgotten that. A single GM couldn't sneak into Charlie's capital hex and cut his string. They would need to be, at a minimum, in the room with him. And sneaking 7 GMs that far into Charlie's territory seems... unlikely.

An alternative would be to sneak two people in, one of them a Great Mind who can attune to the Arkendish (exact qualifications unknown). Wait until Charlie is known to be off-Dish. The second person causes a massive distraction of some kind, and then the first person makes direct contact with the Dish, attunes to it, remotely trance-fuses with the other GMs into a State 7, and then snippity-snip.

It's a plan with a whole lot of points of failure, but it's at least vaguely possible.
I don't see how it achieves even that
Yeah the odds of one of the Great minds attuning (or even of any thinkamancer of ANY rank) seems low. The pliers were handled by tons of units over thousands of turns. The probability of attunement seems like it might be purely a matter of fate. Actually that brings up an interesting question. Ansom used them as a weapon. What if he had stuck someone who could attune to them? What would happen?
Skull the Troll wrote:
Yeah the odds of one of the Great minds attuning (or even of any thinkamancer of ANY rank) seems low. The pliers were handled by tons of units over thousands of turns. The probability of attunement seems like it might be purely a matter of fate. Actually that brings up an interesting question. Ansom used them as a weapon. What if he had stuck someone who could attune to them? What would happen?


He tried to here - and the fact that he actually did try to croak Wanda is verified here.

To quote: "He'd tried to strike her, but the artifact would not obey him." So that would be your answer, I suspect: It is simply not possible for an Arkentool being used as a weapon to strike someone who will attune to it/them.

Or another way: much like the cities want to be owned, the Arkentools want to attune.
habilain wrote:
Skull the Troll wrote:
Yeah the odds of one of the Great minds attuning (or even of any thinkamancer of ANY rank) seems low. The pliers were handled by tons of units over thousands of turns. The probability of attunement seems like it might be purely a matter of fate. Actually that brings up an interesting question. Ansom used them as a weapon. What if he had stuck someone who could attune to them? What would happen?


He tried to here - and the fact that he actually did try to croak Wanda is verified here.

To quote: "He'd tried to strike her, but the artifact would not obey him." So that would be your answer, I suspect: It is simply not possible for an Arkentool being used as a weapon to strike someone who will attune to it/them.

Or another way: much like the cities want to be owned, the Arkentools want to attune.


Humm, and Stanley missed Jillian with the Hammer much to his surprise. I wonder...
I just realized something. This update has the clear view of Shirley's demands. It is exactly the same as the prioritized list that Charlie had at the start of his "play to the stakes" meditation. But in that same update, Shirley points out his lack of consideration for "Vanna's baby." Apparently, Charlie added something to cover that... but Shirley didn't change the list in this update.

Assuming this was intentional (always a safe guess in Charlie's arena), why didn't she mention the topic?

I have two guesses, both of which assume that she is way more sneaky that she lets on. My first guess (and the one that made me double-check these lists) is that she knows this demand would be a tactical vulnerability for Charlescomm -- the exact reason that Charlie didn't include it in the first place. She left it off of the list because she thought that TV would comply with the initial demands eventually, meaning that TV would avert decapitation and would survive for the last dozen or so turns needed to pop their heir. Charlie would get what he'd wanted, and she'd get what she secretly wanted, and nobody at TV would ever need to know just how much she was holding her breath for them to accept the list.

But if she wasn't planning to tell TV about that last demand, why bother mentioning it to Charlie? Eh, maybe she was keeping that last demand in her back pocket to use as a just-in-case concession for diplomatic purposes. (I dunno -- I'm rather fuzzy on negotiation tactics.) But that's not my real Guess #2.

No, my other guess is that she doesn't care about the baby. She just wants Charlie to think she does. Back when he heard her start talking about heroes and girls next door, he noted that she didn't technically say he was her little hero, but all his skill as a Carny suggested so. For the record, I do think Shirley honestly regards Charlie as her little good guy (much as it might make me gag) -- Huehue can read the pride in her Source-voice. But ever since that girl-next-door update, I've wondered about the possibility of towers/temples tricking their occupants.

I dunno, maybe I'm being mistrustful. But there are reasons and reasons to lie. A parental lie can be a very fidgety thing... but if it is that Shirley really doesn't care about other people's babies, but she wants Charlie to think/learn that compassion is cosmically important? Then that's a lie I can live with.
So... is no one going to point out the double enteandra of Benny referring the tower as "dank". And by "Double entendra" I mean the traditional, literal meaning of the word "Dank" that being of damp and dreary?