Digdoug - Episode 13

Digdoug - Episode 13

Last to arrive and the first to leave, Digdoug was excused from the Long Table meeting after he‘d learned his part in the plan. The King and his Chiefs had more to say to one another, it seemed. Probably they just wanted to continue their argument without him. He hoped it wouldn‘t get any uglier than it already had.

Start of turn was still hours away, unless Numloch ended theirs early. He wandered through the halls, poking at the architecture.

Would he ever belong in a high-level meeting like that? If Dove joined the side, would he become Chief Caster? Hm. He didn‘t actually know Dove‘s level of mastery, and couldn‘t imagine commanding her to do anything, anyway. No, given how close she was to King Posbrake, she would probably be the Chief Carnymancer of Homekey.

He found the thought strangely comforting. In fact, it made him smile. What could a side with a Dirtamancer and a Carnymancer do? It would be fun to find out. Dirtamancy that broke the rules? What would that entail? He couldn‘t–

On the gray carpeting, his feet stopped cold in their tracks.

 

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“It‘s something I should have done before,” Digdoug said again. “There‘s no reason you can‘t see a little tiny bit of sunlight, right? And His Majesty can use this, too, when he wants to come and visit you. He won‘t have to sneak around as much.”

“It‘s great, Digdoug,” Dove said. She pulled her eyes away from the arrow slit and smiled at him. Her face was very close to his. “You‘re really a beautiful person, you know that?”

They were both standing inside a masonry hole that Digdoug had just built as a defensive emplacement, a tiny alcove within the wall of the great tower. One archer or caster could stand here at ground level and take ranged shots at any units trying to enter the garrison on foot. The upgrade was completely justifiable under Chief Peck‘s order to strengthen the tower, even if it wouldn‘t do anything against air assault.

That was because it also had a trapdoor, and below that a series of ladder shafts that led all the way down to Dove‘s quarters. Digdoug had built it to sneak the Carnymancer up here into the tower, so that she could help him break a rule. And that would help the air defense.

“Do you have enough room to cast?” he asked her, suddenly worried that he hadn‘t made the space big enough. It was tough to keep something like this concealed even from your own troops. Bigger would mean less stealthy.

“I have room,” grinned Dove, “I like it cozy.” Looking him in the eye, she suddenly stepped forward and wrapped her arms around him. Her hands slid up the back of his jerkin and he felt her cool palms on his skin. He may have flinched. “Take it easy,” she said, her lips very close to his own now. “Breathe.”

Oh. He hadn‘t been breathing. He exhaled, but the breath came out unevenly. Dove closed her eyes and began to cast.

Her hands grew warmer on his back, and the interior of the ambush hole lit up with orange sparks. She muttered and whispered. He couldn‘t make out the magical speech until she got to the trigger phrase, “Penguin Storm.”

Then the warmth in his back rushed out to his hands, and dissipated. The orange light faded, and they were left in dimness of the alcove again. Dove withdrew her embrace.

“Did–” Digdoug cleared his throat. “Did it work?”

“Pff, please,” said Dove, pushing him in the chest playfully. “I guess nobody ever asks you that, after you build a moat, right? You‘re lucky,” she said. “Of course it worked. Start building. You‘ve got one turn to put in your lightning trap.”

 

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After sunset, Digdoug took his three hard-rock golems and circumambulated the city. The four of them walked the entire length of the outer walls, as the Dirtamancer examined the city‘s defenses and struggled to think like a warlord.

In two turns, forty Archons would float over these parapets and start attacking, either for show or for real. The city had only two dozen archers, four catapults, two hippo-crates, four hippo-drones, and one good tower with a secret lightning trap on it.

Oh, and just one caster to man it. That was their entire complement for airspace defense.

 

If the Archons actually landed, then there was plenty of infantry and a good number of heavies to fight them off. Chief Peck hadn‘t seemed at all worried about losing the city by main force. And the Chief Warlord‘s bonus would apply to every Homekey unit in the battle. That would help.

But Digdoug didn‘t see how they were even supposed to pretend to fight off such a huge a force of flyers with these defenses. Peck said he‘d get more archers somehow, but Digdoug hadn‘t seen any sign of them.

As he came around within view of the main gate again, he eyed the garrison tower. It looked pretty puny and squat from here. He tried to imagine himself standing up there, single-handedly targeting twoscore Archons in a hemisphere the diameter of this city.

Well...he might pull it off, if all he had to do was make a convincing show of it for a few Delkey troops. But if the Archons attacked for real, then there was just no way. He‘d be able to hit them in a few groups of two or three. The new lightning trap drew its Shockmancy from the nearest rain hex, which wasn‘t nearly as stormy as the one out in Weatherbug, so it wouldn‘t be as effective. With luck, it might automagically target one or two of them individually.

But then the rest would swarm. They were ranged casters. If they couldn‘t hit King Posbrake, then Digdoug would be their next target. And they‘d blast him right off the tower top.

He sighed.

“I think...the most interesting day of my life is coming up,” he said to his golems. They shambled along beside him, looming over his head with warlike scowls. They offered no advice, and little comfort. “It might also be the last one.”

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Taikei no Yuurei wrote:
Denar wrote:
I'm sure he probably could just create a metal rod and stick it on a building. That wouldn't be a lightning trap though. Not in Erfworld.


We don't have any proof that that isn't exactly what he just did, but you're apparently unwilling to separate the construction of a trap with the construction of something that looks exactly like a trap, so I don't see any point in discussing it any more.


No. What we've seen is that a Dirtamancer is required to use Dirtamancy to create a Lightning Trap in specifically a Lightning storm hex. If all it took, to make a magical lightning trap, was to stick a piece of metal on the city's tower, then Digdoug would not have been needed at all to make that upgrade in either cities. You would need proof to claim what *you're* saying is possible, that sticking a metal rod on a building thereby functions as the city's lightning trap.

And that's not what the argument's about at all, so your decision is probably for the best.
Denar wrote:
Taikei no Yuurei wrote:
Denar wrote:
I'm sure he probably could just create a metal rod and stick it on a building. That wouldn't be a lightning trap though. Not in Erfworld.


We don't have any proof that that isn't exactly what he just did, but you're apparently unwilling to separate the construction of a trap with the construction of something that looks exactly like a trap, so I don't see any point in discussing it any more.


No. What we've seen is that a Dirtamancer is required to use Dirtamancy to create a Lightning Trap in specifically a Lightning storm hex. If all it took, to make a magical lightning trap, was to stick a piece of metal on the city's tower, then Digdoug would not have been needed at all to make that upgrade in either cities. You would need proof to claim what *you're* saying is possible, that sticking a metal rod on a building thereby functions as the city's lightning trap.

And that's not what the argument's about at all, so your decision is probably for the best.

Ah, no, I see the problem here. I'm not claiming that sticking a metal rod on a building functions as a city's lightning trap. I'm claiming that is part of making a lightning trap, and that part can be done regardless of terrain. The part where it actually becomes a trap, as opposed to just a metal stick, is the part that is in question. Dove could have cast her spell to make Digdoug think he was doing the second part as well, but he only managed the first part.

It's like... if he made a soft rock golem, it would have to have some kind of shape. He can make a piece of rock that is shaped like a golem, but that doesn't mean it is a golem. In the same way, he can make a metal rod on his tower that looks like a lightning trap, but that doesn't mean it is a lightning trap. It's kind of like if Dove told him she could let him create 1000 golems, but they wouldn't be able to move (or show stats or even seem like units at all) until an enemy entered the city. She could trick him into making the shape of 1000 golems, and he would think that he had 1000 golems because the spell she cast on him convinced him of that, but all he would have is something that looked like 1000 golems. Dove could have told him she had let him make a lightning trap, but all she did was have him make something that looked like a lightning trap, but he is convinced it actually is a lightning trap because that's what the spell told him.
Looks like we're mostly in agreement then.

Yeah I'm saying that, Digdoug could create metal structures anywhere he likes, but the magic of the Lightning Trap is that it is made to interact with the terrain, store lightning bolts as charges and fire them off. So he can't create a Lightning Trap unless it has the terrain to interact with. As we see from his words, knowing where the lightning is coming from was a necessary part of the spell. Dove's carnymancy, applied to him, let him ignore that rule while casting and he understood how the trap would still function (knowledge he lost after completing the spell). Now that - coupled with how he's seen Dove trick other casters into believing a "show", like the Moneymancer and his books - is why he's not sure whether it will now work, even though he thinks he was sure at the time.

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Dove could have told him she had let him make a lightning trap, but all she did was have him make something that looked like a lightning trap, but he is convinced it actually is a lightning trap because that's what the spell told him.


Yup, just like with the Moneymancer. I'm sure that audits belong to the realm of Natural Moneymancy, that it's a given that they straight-up list the expenditures/income of a side, which would be secondary nature to him. He's convinced the audits are telling the truth because that's what the magic in Natural Moneymancy tells them to do. And now that Digdoug knows that Dove can even fool casters about matters of their own disciplines, (and with no remembrance of how he satisfied the conditions of his own spell) he's left wondering whether he created an actual lightning trap, or created the "fake audit" version
Taikei no Yuurei wrote:
As per the episode 14, Digdoug basically states that just because he built the trap doesn't mean it'll necessarily work. He thinks Dove's spell did what he wanted, but he can't be sure. If he isn't sure, but he made the trap, then making the trap doesn't require a storm hex. Making it work does.


Actually, the implication of Episode 14 was that Digdoug did know it would work while he was building the trap and that (like when a linked caster is unlinked) he just can't quite remember how he made it work once the spell is not on him anymore. That's no reason to believe that it won't work any more than Sizemore's inability to remember how uncroaking the volcano worked means it couldn't be done again.
Godzfirefly wrote:
Taikei no Yuurei wrote:
As per the episode 14, Digdoug basically states that just because he built the trap doesn't mean it'll necessarily work. He thinks Dove's spell did what he wanted, but he can't be sure. If he isn't sure, but he made the trap, then making the trap doesn't require a storm hex. Making it work does.


Actually, the implication of Episode 14 was that Digdoug did know it would work while he was building the trap and that (like when a linked caster is unlinked) he just can't quite remember how he made it work once the spell is not on him anymore. That's no reason to believe that it won't work any more than Sizemore's inability to remember how uncroaking the volcano worked means it couldn't be done again.

Except that he admitted that Dove could have just cast a spell to fool him into thinking it worked, just like she cast (and continues to cast) a spell to convince Delkey's moneymancer that the numbers for their side's spending works out. So yeah, there is plenty of reason to believe that the trap won't work, since, as Peck points out, they really only have the world of a mercenary carnymancer that it'll work.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

And, I still find it amazing how people are willing to trust Peck's distrust more than pretty much everyone else's trust of the situation. Like Digdoug said, Peck doesn't put his faith in much of anything. Dove is allied with Homekey. She is getting paid. What about that situation screams traitor to you? The general prejudice against Carnymancers? Do you think that Predictamancers are bad, too, since there's a general prejudice against them, too?
Godzfirefly wrote:
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

And, I still find it amazing how people are willing to trust Peck's distrust more than pretty much everyone else's trust of the situation. Like Digdoug said, Peck doesn't put his faith in much of anything. Dove is allied with Homekey. She is getting paid. What about that situation screams traitor to you? The general prejudice against Carnymancers? Do you think that Predictamancers are bad, too, since there's a general prejudice against them, too?

I'm not saying that the trap won't work or can't work, I'm saying that it is possible that it might not work. I'm not advocating one way or the other on what will happen, only what is possible. It is entirely possible that the trap will work as advertised. It is entirely possible that Digdoug just put a piece of metal on the tower that won't do anything.

I still find it amazing how people take stating that something is possible as stating that it is a fact.
Taikei no Yuurei wrote:
I'm saying that it is possible that it might not work.


Actually, that part isn't what I was disagreeing with. The part I was disagreeing with was:
Taikei no Yuurei wrote:
As per the episode 14, Digdoug basically states that just because he built the trap doesn't mean it'll necessarily work. He thinks Dove's spell did what he wanted, but he can't be sure. If he isn't sure, but he made the trap, then making the trap doesn't require a storm hex. Making it work does.


His unsureness about how the trap was created should not be taken as evidence that he can normally create the seeming of (or Signamancy for) a Lightning Trap without actually creating a Lightning Trap. Not when he was under a Carnymancer spell while he was making that seeming/Signamancy.
Denar wrote:
Yeah I'm saying that, Digdoug could create metal structures anywhere he likes, but the magic of the Lightning Trap is that it is made to interact with the terrain

DD Episode 3
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Weatherbug had an awful tower. The squat little thing was only a stone cylinder with a few slit holes and a conical, pavilion-style roof which left the lookout platform open to the elements. The metal spire on top of that roof got hit by lightning fifty times every turn, and at some point he would probably stop dropping to the floor on his stomach every time that happened. He hoped. But it was well built and well grounded. Whoever had constructed the spire knew what they were doing, or maybe they had learned by trial and error. Anyway, he wouldn’t need to do anything major to the basic engineering of the thing.

Digdoug didn't build the lightning rod, building it didn't require a special Dirtamancy spell unique to that terrain, nor did the spire require a special enchantment on it in order to interact with the terrain.
Shai_hulud wrote:
Denar wrote:
Yeah I'm saying that, Digdoug could create metal structures anywhere he likes, but the magic of the Lightning Trap is that it is made to interact with the terrain

DD Episode 3
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Weatherbug had an awful tower. The squat little thing was only a stone cylinder with a few slit holes and a conical, pavilion-style roof which left the lookout platform open to the elements. The metal spire on top of that roof got hit by lightning fifty times every turn, and at some point he would probably stop dropping to the floor on his stomach every time that happened. He hoped. But it was well built and well grounded. Whoever ha

d constructed the spire knew what they were doing, or maybe they had learned by trial and error. Anyway, he wouldn’t need to do anything major to the basic engineering of the thing.

Digdoug didn't build the lightning rod, building it didn't require a special Dirtamancy spell unique to that terrain, nor did the spire require a special enchantment on it in order to interact with the terrain.


Again, that's a lightning rod, and not a Lightning Trap. Which required him to cast a spell. You literally missed out the very next part of that same episode, where he describes the process of actually making one

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Gah. Okay, enough. Work time. He turned and looked at the structure of the tower, using his special Dirtamancy senses to feel out the metal shaft of the spire within the stonework and wood. Let’s see, he’d had a plan here...oh, right. He was going to start with spell storage...


Finally, in our most recent update, the creation of a lightning trap is said to involve the placement of a metal spire. In fact, your quote *proves* that it is more than just a metal spire, because you've just shown exactly that a metal spire is *not* a Lightning Trap. For the reasons I've listed above and previously, we know that there is more to his spell than placing a piece of metal on the tower.

You also carefully selected the first part of my quote to leave out information I had said

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and store lightning bolts as charges and fire them off.


See, when you don't take what I said out of context, comparing a lightning Trap to the metal spire at Weatherbug doesn't make as much sense.