Book 3 - Page 259

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Book 3 - Page 259
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jpnuar1 wrote:
Gaussrik wrote:
Does he think he can get rid of them without paying the penalty?

Charlie learned the "configuration" changes needed to turn decrypted in the Battle for Castle Lilith. If that didn't trigger a penalty then, it might not now either.

Also check out this remark on Book 3/144:
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He needed to learn how to protect his Archons from perversion. And perhaps he had learned enough.

Next time Wanda tries to decrypt an Archon, I think she's going to have another Titanic battle on her hands.
greyknight wrote:
jpnuar1 wrote:
Gaussrik wrote:
Does he think he can get rid of them without paying the penalty?

Charlie learned the "configuration" changes needed to turn decrypted in the Battle for Castle Lilith. If that didn't trigger a penalty then, it might not now either.

Also check out this remark on Book 3/144:
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He needed to learn how to protect his Archons from perversion. And perhaps he had learned enough.

Next time Wanda tries to decrypt an Archon, I think she's going to have another Titanic battle on her hands.

Interesting catch! I suspect it may be even worse - Charlie's link to the Archon may be broken by croaking, but perhaps he can do something to them that would survive Decryption. It would certainly be shocking for Wanda to Decrypt an Archon and have it re-pop still belonging to Charlescomm!
Idle thought off the top of my head. Apologies if this has already been discussed.

What if Charlie is more worried about information about his treasury leaking out than he is about the guns or Wanda?

Guns are game changers, Wanda is a destabilizing threat to the world, but both of those are things Charlie can use to his advantage. He's got huge stockpiles of guns, and Wanda's very existence tends to encourage sides to rally against Charlie's biggest enemy.

The idea that there's a single side with a single city and a hundred million shmuckers is something that gets other sides to rally against your side purely for the plunder. Parson and his gang turned Transylvito with far less. Imagine what they could do if they could promise potential allies millions in plunder.
In the vein of what carnymancy can't do I find myself leaning towards a difference between laws and rules. Rules are made, laws are like unbreakable consequences, the easiest of which to reference is the law of cause-and-effect.

The only real way to stop cause-and-effect is if there is another effect from another cause that comes to interrupt the first effect. This is like an enemy trying to kill you with a sword, but you block it with your own. This does not break the cause-and-effect chain, it is merely the interaction of multiple effects, each with their own cause.

But cause-and-effect remains unbreakable, a law that cannot be stopped, even by carnymancy.

That's just an opinion though.
JadedDragoon wrote:
... If you're looking for raw destructive power though... you're right. She hasn't really demonstrated that. But one learns quickly as a mage (in D&D and what not) that fireballs and lightning bolts are all well and good when you need to kill one or two enemies. But when you need to win battles, survive dungeons, or change the course of nations it's utility... not raw firepower... that makes all the difference. Ironically, given her name, Wanda has shown a lot of utility... and only an average amount of firepower. ...

In fact, Sizemore, Ace, Ivan, and Claude are the only casters we know of that might have utility on the same level or close to Wanda's. And of them only Sizemore has come close to demonstrating it... the rest actually are informed abilities. Even Jack, talented as he is, and Marie/Janis, despite being master class, lack the others' versatility.

I'm just saying, I'm on board with accepting that Wanda is a magic prodigy. Though I would, like you, enjoy seeing it demonstrated more often.


Interestingly, in the current edition of D&D (5th), Croakamancers (Wizards who pick the Necromancy Arcane Tradition) are pretty much one of the premier damage builds in the game (employing armies of bow-wielding skellies), 'though they do run into major logistical issues (also their armies are liable to get dusted by a Fireball or by an enemy Cleric). They do retain significant utility though, since they're still Wizards, but that's mostly via casting spells from other schools.

The equivalent of Shockamancy (Evokers) is usually considered one of the weaker schools, 'though they do have a lot of potent forcefield effects that let them shape the battlefield (can't really benefit from their subclass features though).

High level Foolamancers (Illusionists), meanwhile, effectively get a personal Green Lantern ring and a 1-mile square Reality Marble to go with that, making them King of Utility (in Erfworld terms, imagine a Foolamancer that can turn his veils real, and has the ability to cast a hex-wide veil that lasts 10 turns). They also get to give the middle finger to Enchanters since a lot of good illusion control spells like Fear and Hypnotic Pattern should, really, really belong in the Enchantment school instead.

JadedDragoon wrote:
Skull the Troll wrote:
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Darkstar7613 wrote:

Which doesn't negate the possibility. Further, we don't know exactly how long that hole was open... while it was enclosed behind the wall, we only know it got closed up just as the gun-toting thugs finally broke through to hit. Nor do we know what was or was not hiding behind that wall.

My point was, and still stands, that there are literally dozens of possibilities we can float before we default to, "Charlie is a cheating cheater who cheats at cheating because he's a Cheaty McCheaterpants."


You realize that the three of them are only down there because Charlie cheated in making the wrench right? Sometimes the simplest solution IS the correct one. However I do agree with you that there could be dozens of possibilities. I don't think 5 Archons could fit in that hole with them however. My suspicion is that the Archons have been there all along. Charlie was just guarding his turf. He didnt reveal them earlier because he suspected that they would go after Wanda.
Whats interesting to me is that they didn't just immediately croak her.


Agreed. Charley didn't get where he is by doing the obvious thing. He's smarter than that. He may be looking to see if he can get back some good will with the MK by handing Wanda back to them. Or he may just be hoping to further undermine GK by making it look like Wanda decrypting Ivan and Claude was part of a plan to destroy the lookamancer temple. Or maybe he's actually so lacking in reliable intel that he honestly thinks there's a chance Wanda would side with him... though I doubt it.

But this is what Charley does. He adds 2 + 2 and insists on finding a way to come up with 8 instead of 4. Remember the farm? Tondy? Who is probably the leader of this group? He's not satisfied with having his chickens and his eggs. He wants to break chickens.

EDIT: So yeah, Charley is a cheating cheater who cheats. Doesn't mean he can do anything simply because he cheats... even cheating has limits. But it does mean when he does something we think he cant cheating is the most likely answer for "how?" (all things being equal).


So, basically, Chuck is the sort of player who would cheat even when he's ahead and likely to win. Like a certain Dick.

Or Nixon, who happens to be another Dick, but that Signamancy was already taken.
There's always money in Bananastan...until someone burns it to the ground.

Anyway, I'm fairly persuaded by the precedent of Portal Park that Charlie isn't that worried about croaking Wanda. By the same token, he is willing to spend a dozen dozen millions to eliminate Wanda and Parson, and a few bit players. It is still possible that even in the Portal Park plan he had some safeguard in mind for capturing rather than killing Wanda, but firing blink through the portal as an opening move wasn't intended as strictly non-lethal force.

That elevates the chances of "make a deal" and some kind of Foolamancy. I don't know the limits of the 'dish's power, long distance Foolamancy seems at least plausible, but a stretch. Charlie does like making deals, but he shoots himself in the foot because the number one takeaway if you even survive a deal with Charlie is never to make another deal with him. Still, as a persistent habit it might be enough to make him offer a deal even if he has some idea how unlikely it is that the other party will accept.

If the archons are really there, then they might have been overseeing the Temple demolition. Though why the doll was heading back to the portal on it's own with the Wonky Wrench is in question then...perhaps the portal collar would need to be repaired so the top-side portal would work properly?
Chiu ChunLing wrote:
If the archons are really there, then they might have been overseeing the Temple demolition. Though why the doll was heading back to the portal on it's own with the Wonky Wrench is in question then...

Ah, but was it on its own?
Right now I'm just killing time until the next comic comes up, but in the meantime I've been rereading the comic.

I got to this page when I started paying to some of the music I was listening to.

It just fit so well, that drumming build-up and the look on Parson's face. (for the record, I edited and cut out the little tinkling at the end of the video for my personal copy, I mean I kept a copy of that part as well, but in a separate file).
It would be now that I finally come up with a thought, one that others have probably already thought of, but it came to me about an hour ago.

Bill escapes from his cell, and takes Vanna with him, they play dress-up and inadvertently become the "Batman and Robin" duo. With Jack as the Joker (Jack already has some Joker signamancy to him), which would fit with how... with how much Jack keeps using that term "This is bat country", which just feels a little paranoid to me right now.

What happens then? I have no idea.
Arci wrote:
It would be now that I finally come up with a thought, one that others have probably already thought of, but it came to me about an hour ago.

Bill escapes from his cell, and takes Vanna with him, they play dress-up and inadvertently become the "Batman and Robin" duo. With Jack as the Joker (Jack already has some Joker signamancy to him), which would fit with how... with how much Jack keeps using that term "This is bat country", which just feels a little paranoid to me right now.

What happens then? I have no idea.

I could see Bill as Batman, with a utility belt and so on, but Vanna would fit far better as Catwoman than as Robin, especially now that she's in :tv: raiment.