Book 3 - Page 99

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Nightseraph wrote:
Besides If you need a reason to hate Charlie, he does literally sell the archons as suicide bomber sex slaves for the right price. Don't have to go making a reason up when there is a canon one that is worse.

That's true, especially if he is from earth. But if he got knowledge of our vocabulary and weaponry (and contract-loopholes) through some Arkendish-related means, but didn't embrace our rules about human rights, then he's just living life the Erfworld way. I mean, Maggie told Parson he could have sex with any unit and the Archons didn't grasp the concept of free will, so I wouldn't want to speculate on how many Rulers in Erfworld are doing those or similar things to their units. Duty seems to make units actually want to be of use in any kind of way.

Or now that I think about it, maybe Charlie's selling Archons this way is a mix of both worlds. Maybe he got the knowledge of what happens in some countries in our world (either because he's from earth or through the dish) and mixed that with him having absolute power as a Ruler and units enjoying fulfilling their Duty. Maybe our world gave him ideas on how to be the worst Ruler of them all.
Free Radical wrote:
Nightseraph wrote:
I want Lilith to waste all three of those archons.
Seeing what GWK loses would give us real information on the cash value of real estate, and how
production is weighed vs shmucker costs.

Gobwin Knob received 227,800 shmuckers to compensate for the value of cities and units lost to Faq and Charlie.

That included the cities of Progrock, Brookstone, and Bohica, whatever damage was done by the gobwins turning, and possibly the value of the gobwins.

Killing three archons at minimum 500,000 shmuckers penalty each with only 88,000 in the treasury means paying 1,412,000 shmuckers worth of cities and units, so that's a little over six times the value of those three cities plus whatever else. That's not really something GK can afford to be paying.


From the Non-aggression Pact still in place:

The agreement also provides for the following penalties:
For breaching the truce: half of the breaching side's treasury, to a maximum of 5,000,000 or a minimum of 500,000 Shmuckers.

This is why Jack refers to it this way. So the second Lilith gets her death as she so desires fighting her way out of CC it will cut Charlie's fortune by 5 million shmuckers. Basically, Lilith is the perfect weapon because she can demolish Charlie's entire base and the second they obliterate her not only does she return 5 million shmuckers (way more than they had to start) but she's picked off atleast a few archons which are assuredly expensive.

Now for my own thoughts: We've established that while erfworld is bloodless in the sense of drawing for the sake of imagery it has meat and bone. It fundamentally functions as we understand biology in some respects even though magic plays a key component. In Wanda's backstory she describes understanding anatomy and how to motivate a physical presence. This MAY be an artistic choice but those Archons seem empty, don't they? A hole blown clean through her sternum and into her core and it's a gaping hole. It really makes an interesting argument that seems to go back to the original statements on Archons: That they're not actually 'people' but arkendish-built dolls. Living, thinking, dolls....but dolls none the less. It's why they seem to have a fundamentally skewed view of Charlie and of Wanda. Their social structure is that of children and Charlie is both dad and lover. They're his own ego personified for his tastes.

I know there is a ton of speculation that Charlie is another 'human' like Dorothy and Parsons but we've found no evidence of this yet, have me? It's a parallel of the Wiz of Oz that he's human but his lateral thinking is far less lateral and more calculated. I know it makes *sense* that he's also a human who preferred Erf to Earth, but we've never gotten any TRUE confirmation of this which is kind of why I'm a believer that he may simply have been a great carny/thinkamancer who figured out the game was a game...and that he wanted to bring in the best players to make him even better. In both cases he realizes he is no challenge to Dorothy OR Parsons in direct ways which is why I feel like he's secretly a regular erfworlder who's just lived far too long.
Xeranar wrote:
So the second Lilith gets her death as she so desires fighting her way out of CC it will cut Charlie's fortune by 5 million shmuckers. Basically, Lilith is the perfect weapon because she can demolish Charlie's entire base and the second they obliterate her not only does she return 5 million shmuckers (way more than they had to start) but she's picked off atleast a few archons which are assuredly expensive.

Obviously Charlie doesn't take that option though. Now that she's not a danger to him personally, she's more valuable to him alive. If he orders his units to capture rather than croak, he either re-captures her or she kills herself. Either way, he doesn't pay but everything lost by GK is already his, and he can possibly find another safer way to get information about decryption from her.
Free Radical wrote:
Xeranar wrote:
So the second Lilith gets her death as she so desires fighting her way out of CC it will cut Charlie's fortune by 5 million shmuckers. Basically, Lilith is the perfect weapon because she can demolish Charlie's entire base and the second they obliterate her not only does she return 5 million shmuckers (way more than they had to start) but she's picked off atleast a few archons which are assuredly expensive.

Obviously Charlie doesn't take that option though. Now that she's not a danger to him personally, she's more valuable to him alive. If he orders his units to capture rather than croak, he either re-captures her or she kills herself. Either way, he doesn't pay but everything lost by GK is already his, and he can possibly find another safer way to get information about decryption from her.


If he captures her that would count as material damage and obstructing a GK unit passage from CC territory and he would have to pay five-ten million, only for wanda+maggie to be able to free her again.
She was captured before the non-aggression pact was signed. Her recapture would be further aggression and even 'locking her inside' for safe keeping is silly. She's able to be linked up with and send all kinds of data back or even find some kind of explosive down there. No, Charlie will gladly hand over 5 million to stop a deadly threat from getting out of CC alive. Never mind she could leave with the guns she has and that alone would be worth a few million with Ace Hardware duplicating them for everybody in the GK army.
Ashendant wrote:
Free Radical wrote:
Xeranar wrote:
So the second Lilith gets her death as she so desires fighting her way out of CC it will cut Charlie's fortune by 5 million shmuckers. Basically, Lilith is the perfect weapon because she can demolish Charlie's entire base and the second they obliterate her not only does she return 5 million shmuckers (way more than they had to start) but she's picked off atleast a few archons which are assuredly expensive.

Obviously Charlie doesn't take that option though. Now that she's not a danger to him personally, she's more valuable to him alive. If he orders his units to capture rather than croak, he either re-captures her or she kills herself. Either way, he doesn't pay but everything lost by GK is already his, and he can possibly find another safer way to get information about decryption from her.

If he captures her that would count as material damage and obstructing a GK unit passage from CC territory and he would have to pay five-ten million, only for wanda+maggie to be able to free her again.

Hrrmm... that may well be the case. If so, Charlie may have to flee the city, at least temporarily, as nothing else would keep him safe. And now I think of it, what would stop her from carrying off the arkendish? Picking up the guns didn't drain the treasury...

So unless Charlie is willing to break the contract, he's in a great deal of trouble. But he has to do it, or he loses the city. The city of Charlescomm itself may be worth less then the penalty for croaking Lilith as long as they keep the treasury, but it is, or was, his only one. Handing over five million would make Gobwin Knob stronger than they were this morning if they don't incur another penalty first.

So... I guess he'll try feeding Lilith Archons to damage Goblin Knob, then rush her when he's taken most of their cities? There could be a way of snookering him if that's his plan though: Lilith becomes a barbarian (as part of a barbarian side led by Wanda perhaps?) and they move her in and out of contracts on a tactical basis, out when she's attacking, in when she's in danger. That would be very hard for Charlie to counter as long as they were careful.
The contract allows for renegotiation should breach of contract seem inevitable. Charlie will most likely contact Parson very soon.
Whispri wrote:
So... I guess he'll try feeding Lilith Archons to damage Goblin Knob


That would be the worst thing for Charlie. He's probably already Carnied or outright shystered (via not telling Parson the terms of payment) his way out of paying the material harm penalty for Lilith. But if he orders his units to attack her, then GK will be protected from further penalty by the self-defense clause. He's caught in a Catch-22 because in order to do the most damage to GK, he has to let Lilith have the run of the city and kill any unit she wants without resistance.
I predict Lilith will attempt suicide by portal, only to discover that Charlie's portal has been altered to allow non-casters through.
Dante wrote:
Whispri wrote:
So... I guess he'll try feeding Lilith Archons to damage Goblin Knob

That would be the worst thing for Charlie. He's probably already Carnied or outright shystered (via not telling Parson the terms of payment) his way out of paying the material harm penalty for Lilith. But if he orders his units to attack her, then GK will be protected from further penalty by the self-defense clause. He's caught in a Catch-22 because in order to do the most damage to GK, he has to let Lilith have the run of the city and kill any unit she wants without resistance.

Well yeah, that why he feeds her archons, lets her eat her fill until Gobwin Knob has lost boop near everything (sacrificing a single triad could be enough to take everything they have) and only then has her killed. A potential counter being, as I noted, tactical barbarism.