Book 3 - Page 93

Lilith's Corollary to Charlie's Rule #16

Book 3 - Page 93
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ardee wrote:
Been reading this comic for a long time, pop into the forums sometimes because I always miss things in the updates. Finally had to make an account here after this last batch of comics...

I was never really on the "Charlie is evil" train until that one Archon comic where they beat the crap out of Lillith. I always thought he was a bit of a butthead, but never quite as bad as some folks say. I'm still anti-Stanley after Book 1 - and that includes Wanda and, frankly Parson. I see people talk about Jillian's plot armor, but just about everything seems to work out for Parson.

ANYWAY, I haven't seen anyone in this thread mention the fact that this comic seems to essentially confirm that Wanda brainwashes decrypted. Sorry if this had been discussed in the past. But, based on this comic, she and Charlie get their units' loyalty in the same basic way. It doesn't seem like either of their units are fighting for a cause they believe in. This really bothers me. It was one thing when they were mindless uncroaked, but these are basically people again, only with their free will removed. I remember Ansom's feelings on the arkentools changing when he was decrypted, but I was never really sure why. Now it seems like he, and the other decrypted, are just pawns in Wanda's cult. She just isn't as ruthless as Charlie - though it makes me wonder if she would be if she had her own side.

Parson doesn't seem to mind, though.


I think that's true of all sides. An Erfworld unit is popped with an unnatural devotion to the side that popped him. That's what Loyalty is. Charlie enhances this with the Thinkamancy of the dish, but it's the same basic mechanic. Similarly, when Wanda "repops" a unit, it's just as Loyal as any fresh-popped unit is to its side.
Aeshdan wrote:
Similarly, when Wanda "repops" a unit, it's just as Loyal as any fresh-popped unit is to its side.


Moreso, I'd say. THere's no 'rush' like Archons get from the dish, but there is fervent cult adoration, above what I've seen in regular troops.
OneHugeTuck wrote:
Aeshdan wrote:
Similarly, when Wanda "repops" a unit, it's just as Loyal as any fresh-popped unit is to its side.


Moreso, I'd say. THere's no 'rush' like Archons get from the dish, but there is fervent cult adoration, above what I've seen in regular troops.

There is a strong connection to the pliers, to the point where the sight of them brought comfort to a freshly "repopped" unit.
It's 7:10 PM, Friday evening. Are you also hitting "refresh" over and over again like a crack monkey? :mrgreen:
Tarvok wrote:
It's 7:10 PM, Friday evening. Are you also hitting "refresh" over and over again like a crack monkey? :mrgreen:

I'm at work.

YES.
Tarvok wrote:
It's 7:10 PM, Friday evening. Are you also hitting "refresh" over and over again like a crack monkey? :mrgreen:

No.

Not at all.

Never.

(pretends to look all innocent)
That's what I do most all monday's and friday's.
Lipkin wrote:
OneHugeTuck wrote:
Aeshdan wrote:
Similarly, when Wanda "repops" a unit, it's just as Loyal as any fresh-popped unit is to its side.


Moreso, I'd say. THere's no 'rush' like Archons get from the dish, but there is fervent cult adoration, above what I've seen in regular troops.

There is a strong connection to the pliers, to the point where the sight of them brought comfort to a freshly "repopped" unit.


I don't see the Decrypted as brainwashed. They are re-popped with exceptionally high loyalty, yes, and their duty compels them to act on that loyalty, but that's an erfworld thing in general. I see it as similar to how Maggie described duty to Parson at the end of book 1, when he asked how "ruthlessness" worked. It can influence and steer you, but it's not outright controlling you. Decryption is just another degree of the same thing.

Ansom was a stuffed shirt, who used the royal mandate to puff himself up. Same thing after decryption, he just has a new mandate. Jack was a slippery-minded trickster before decryption, and he still is. They are still essentially who they were before, not just brainwashed slaves.

It's complicated by the fact that erfworld is wierd, and to some degree EVERYONE is a brainwashed slave to their side. But overall, I don't see decryption as all that much worse than regular turning.

Now, Charlie is brainwashing the archons, far more overtly and completely. He's nasty-evil about it. Not sure what Wanda does is in the same class.

-Lawence
Lawence of Awabia wrote:


I don't see the Decrypted as brainwashed. They are re-popped with exceptionally high loyalty, yes, and their duty compels them to act on that loyalty, but that's an erfworld thing in general. I see it as similar to how Maggie described duty to Parson at the end of book 1, when he asked how "ruthlessness" worked. It can influence and steer you, but it's not outright controlling you. Decryption is just another degree of the same thing.

Ansom was a stuffed shirt, who used the royal mandate to puff himself up. Same thing after decryption, he just has a new mandate. Jack was a slippery-minded trickster before decryption, and he still is. They are still essentially who they were before, not just brainwashed slaves.

It's complicated by the fact that erfworld is wierd, and to some degree EVERYONE is a brainwashed slave to their side. But overall, I don't see decryption as all that much worse than regular turning.

Now, Charlie is brainwashing the archons, far more overtly and completely. He's nasty-evil about it. Not sure what Wanda does is in the same class.

-Lawence



Counterpoint: Princess Cruz went from "I love my mom" to "Join the tools or I'll happily kill you/make you join us". That's a pretty complete switch.

As Queen Bea observed, quite possibly correctly, 'that's not my daughter'.
OneHugeTuck wrote:
Counterpoint: Princess Cruz went from "I love my mom" to "Join the tools or I'll happily kill you/make you join us". That's a pretty complete switch.

As Queen Bea observed, quite possibly correctly, 'that's not my daughter'.

It's understandable that she would think that, but we know from Sylvia's case that the decrypted unit really is the same person - or at least close enough that even Fate can't tell the difference.