Book 3 - Page 91

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Book 3 - Page 91
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Wanda seems to me like she's fated to be a ruler. Possibly the next "Charlie" in the story line. The lack of personal dialog from Wanda makes her more mysterious and callous. Even with more back story than the other characters this feels like a problem for a "good guy". But then again in Erfworld there is no good and bad side. Remembering Parson in Book 1 who thought GK were the "bad guys" based on the kind of units they had.

Charlie on the other hand seems like the opposite of Wanda.
Wanda is mostly living and in command of the dead.
Charlie is mostly dead and in command of the living.
I really do wonder how some of these line up so perfectly on their own.

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Here's a thought: why do they need Maggie to go in at all? Jack's there, and he's Decrypted. Shouldn't he have the same connection to "Sister Wanda" as Lilith? You'd think he could just close his eyes, focus on the thread connecting him to the Pliers, and check in that way?

Makes me wonder if there are "levels" of decrypted, that maybe some decrypted are not tied quite as tightly to the pliers as others. Ansom seems pretty tight (he was the first one after all), but Ossomer turned pretty easily. Maybe Jack is more at the Ossomer-level, than the Ansom-level?

-Lawence
Lawence of Awabia wrote:
Here's a thought: why do they need Maggie to go in at all? Jack's there, and he's Decrypted. Shouldn't he have the same connection to "Sister Wanda" as Lilith? You'd think he could just close his eyes, focus on the thread connecting him to the Pliers, and check in that way?

Makes me wonder if there are "levels" of decrypted, that maybe some decrypted are not tied quite as tightly to the pliers as others. Ansom seems pretty tight (he was the first one after all), but Ossomer turned pretty easily. Maybe Jack is more at the Ossomer-level, than the Ansom-level?

-Lawence

It was mentioned back in the LIAB Epilogue 08 that it only works with Lilith because of the Archon's natural Thinkamancy. That's why Wanda & Maggie had to link-up to get in touch with Ansom when he was Jillian's prisoner.
Ansom loved the Pliers before they got a badass lady attached to them. :P

I think the Decrypted must get along with each other (think of how nice Jack and Ansom are even when thinking each other soooo boring/insolent). It seems their loyalty to the pliers can be raised very quickly, but someone must do the work: Ansom did the work himself, switching from one justification for his superiority to another; Wrigley had little change, his conditioning was 'be loyal to your side' and he had a new side; and Ossomer wasn't used to going through mental hoops to justify himself, he is a man of action, and believes the Titans speak through actions. Had he been leading TBFGK Parson couldn't have pushed his buttons, he'd just say "We'll see." and maybe try and fail to push Parson's buttons.
Lawence of Awabia wrote:
Here's a thought: why do they need Maggie to go in at all? Jack's there, and he's Decrypted. Shouldn't he have the same connection to "Sister Wanda" as Lilith? You'd think he could just close his eyes, focus on the thread connecting him to the Pliers, and check in that way?



If this is a dangerous thinkamancy operation, Maggie (though high-value and by no means expendable) probably has the most chance of pulling it off safely.
Xarx wrote:
We still don't know exactly what Maggie was reacting to on page 89.


Yeah I know, I lost quatloos on that or I could. That kinda bothers me that we dojt really know what happened there...

C9H20 wrote:
Not to mention there is a chance that Jojo is the double agent, both he and Roger were units of a royal side at one point. We know RVC is a major royalist and given how Bea ended her life I would imagine Jojo is at least a little royalty biased. Probably a lot though, he could be working with RVC to bring down both Charlie and Parson to help royal supremacy or maybe because both of them are guilty of his girl's and side's demise (Charlie by letting Stanley get away).


You know it would be interesting if Jintao was the spy and that Jojo was a double agent working against Charlie but for the Great Minds. RVC is then completely loyal. That would be a twist. If the spy is anyone besides one of those two, I'm going to be shocked.

Mad Humanist wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Wanda isn't trustworthy while she has someone able to disband her.


Do we know this? Wanda doesn't need to laugh when Stanley tells a joke. She may actually be a barbarian filling her purse from GK. Now wouldn't she be a scary barbarian with all those zero-upkeep decrypted?


Stanley said that she turned when he invaded Faq. I doubt that Stanley would trust her otherwiss. Plus, there's no indication that a barbarian can be your chief caster.

DrunkMonkGar wrote:
I think that's out of the scope of the suggestion Maggie gave him. He wanted to mentor him since the epilogue of book 1, and that whole page is him coming to terms with how he likes Parson despite how much they drive each other crazy.


Suggestions can only make someone consider doing something that they were already inclined to do. The spell can make a mouse into a maniac, a dull are into a genius, or a hamster into a pitbull. Stanley may let Parson spin off but he did say that would happen "someday" which is the same thing as "today". He may believe Parson a long way off from being capable of handling that responsibility. Plus their position isn't exactly secure. Sure GK is nearing it's limit of city levels, but I assume that Stanley would only spin of a side when he has slipped down the diminishing shucked point, not before he actually hits it. Besides that, spinning off really isn't a good idea right now. Ansom is learning from Parson and is getting better at his job, but he's still months or years away from being a true lateral thinker. He needs more guidance and training before he can be Chief Warlord again.
OneHugeTuck wrote:
deus EX wrote:
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Dead bodys disappear at the start of a sides turn if I remember it correctly.


Not if they're claimed, etc.

Dibs
Anomynous 167 wrote:
OneHugeTuck wrote:
deus EX wrote:
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Dead bodys disappear at the start of a sides turn if I remember it correctly.


Not if they're claimed, etc.

Dibs


Dang it. I wanted dibs. :(