Book 3 - Page 67

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Soval wrote:
Regardless, there still isn't any real payoff on Charlie being behind Saline's fall.


Three possibilities:
1. Charlie was after the Arkenhammer (but got caught out by Stanley being unexpectedly out of town and thus not there to get backstabbed by hobgobwins). Although if he wanted the Arkenhammer that much, it makes little sense that he wouldn't just try again once Stanley retook GK.

2. Stanley paid Charlie to help him seize the throne from Saline. This may even be the source of Stanley's animosity to Charlie, if Charlie used this time to be patronising and to bilk Stanley out of extra payments.

3. Charlie wanted Stanley to take over for his own reasons - perhaps due to a Prediction, or just in the expectation that Stanley's attitude would lead to more business for Charlie to profit from.

It's all conjecture, though. Everyone who knows at least part of the answer has been shifty about it in their point of view sections.
Soval wrote:
Regardless, there still isn't any real payoff on Charlie being behind Saline's fall. You can conspiracy theory the Empire into being behind the Deathstar being blown up just as easily. There's no actual motive for him. He turns allies against each other as a matter of course, so potential alliances like GK/TV aren't a real threat. He doesn't need to drum up instability, because the nature of Erfworld itself does so on its own. It's an entire world designed so that there can never be a lasting peace.


I like what you are going for, but, again, I have to point out Charlie's third rule.

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Charlie's Rule #3: We are in the business of solving problems for our clients. Corollary: Creating problems for our clients creates business.


It doesn't matter to Charlie if Erfworld auto-generates instability. He doesn't care or think the process is too slow. Otherwise he wouldn't have this rule or at least not so high on the list. The death of Saline caused exactly the kind of instability that Charlie can profit off of. That can't be a coincicidence based on what we know of him.

Although, yes, I will admit that Wanda is a suspect. There's 8 options of people causing Saline's fall (though I just thought of a 9th).

1. The Gobs and Hobgobs did it on their own initiative with no outside influence.

2. Stanley did it.

3. Wanda did it.

4. Charlie did it.

5. Stanley and Wanda did it.

6. Stanley and Charlie did it.

7. Wanda and Charlie did it.

8. Stanley, Wanda, and Charlie all did it.

9. The Great Minds did it.

Man, this is like the movie Clue. I think we can clearly eliminate the 1st option. IMO we can also eliminate any scenario where Stanley took down/helped take down Saline. That's based on what we know. I firmly believe that Charlie caused the uprising because he had both motives and the means to carry it out which leaves 4.Charlie did it. and 7. Wanda and Charlie did it.

The last theory I'm just throwing out there. The Thinkamancers also had motive to cause Saline's downfall and they had Marie and other master level Predicamancers who could have predicted that the rein of Stanley the Worm would bring about the perfect opportunity to summon their Perfect Warlord. What they may not have had was the means. Maggie was pulled out of the city befoe the uprising and, while the Thinkamancers could have contacted the Gobs and Hobgobs, they would have been unable to utilize a turnamancer to help. Only Charlie can do a long distance Thinkagram while being linked because that ability seems to be exclusive to the Arkendish.

There's a possibility that the Gobs and Hobgobs were convince to turn, but the plan was to delay it until Stanley had left the city (which would be something that would need to happen if Stanley put them up to it). The Great Minds or, if Wanda worked alone, could have convinced the Gobs and Hobgobs to do exactly this, but the problem is that neither party seems to have anything that they could use to bribe them into committing treachery. The Thinkamancers are a strictly scientific/political group. I haven't heard anything about them having a strong financial base. They do have scientific tools that Isaac design but probably had to buy commissions for. Maybe they have a type "research grant" fund and they tapped into that to bribe the Gobs and Hobgobs. However, even Charlie need a Turnamancer to turn Vurp so...

Wanda, on the other hand, had nothing. She would not promise them the Arkenhammer (or at least lie to them about being willing to pass it on to them), but by that point she was firmly set in her Toolism. She believed Stanley to be fated at that point. Even if she did promise the Hammer, that doesn't explain why Vurp lied about Saline's fall to Parson (as if he was under one of Charlie's non-disclosure clauses). The Hobs eventually sided with Stanley. If Wanda put them up to it, then they may have decided to sell her out as a show of loyalty. No, I think that if Wanda was involved, it was indirectly and through Charlie. Which leads me back to my original theory. Either Charlie did it or Charlie and Wanda did it together.
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Well, Parson is going by the current raiment Bunny is wearing - which as we know, is not her customary raiment. Even so, her usual purple trench coat and dress do give off a "femme fatale" Signamancy - though as to what kind of femme fatale remains to be seen...


I would disagree with this analysis she wears a purple blouse with a purple skirt a quick google image search of femme fatale clearly indicates the dress code is a little more dramatic. Bunny is certainly an attractive character and if you subscribe to the Toolbox Art and Pin Up section you can certainly see Bunny in a femme fatale outfit but in comic she dresses very similarly to Maggie.

While she has been involved in the death of at least one male due to love and the definition of a Femme Fatale is -

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A femme fatale (/ˌfæm fəˈtɑːl/ or /ˌfɛm fəˈtɑːl/; French: [fam fatal]) is a stock character of a mysterious and seductive woman whose charms ensnare her lovers, often leading them into compromising, dangerous, and deadly situations. She is an archetype of literature and art.


You could pretty much accuse every female character in the comic of being a 'femme fatale' if we include Bunny in that definition. The only character so far that I would say fits the archetype would be Olive.
Yeah, Bunny always struck me as that hot woman that someone hires as their secretary because they are hoping to have some kinky office sex on the side whereas Maggie is more of a bureaucrat. Or the bubble-gum popping girl from Hot Fuzz who attacks the heroes with a knife. While the heroes are wearing full body armor. This girl:

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Also, completely unrelated, but I've read book one at least 3 or 4 times and I JUST noticed something. First panel, right there. That's Maggie kneeling over a dead Misty. I've never noticed that. I always looked to Jack and Stanley and missed those two.

That's... chilling. Maggie surely knew she had killed Misty at that point. Maggie was definitely conscious at this point, she sent all the feed-back into Jack and Misty. What must she be thinking while looking at Misty's corpse? Sadness? Regret? Indifference? But I imagine a world where Maggie takes on some of the strain and collapses to her knees unconscious, but Misty dies any ways. The moment Maggie wakes up, she sees Misty's dead face looking right up at her. And Maggie just feels bitter failure and regret at letting her die.

Dramatic I know, but my God, that is a more powerful scene in the first panel than I ever realized.
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Yeah, Bunny always struck me as that hot woman that someone hires as their secretary because they are hoping to have some kinky office sex on the side whereas Maggie is more of a bureaucrat.


I think this is because Bunny has more attractive 'signamancy' than Maggie. I think anything Bunny wears is going to make her look 'sexy' or 'hawt' because she is seen as an attractive character. Maggie and Bunny are pretty much (usually) wearing the same type of clothes - Business attire.

I am also fairly curious of where you got the impression Bunny isn't competent at her role and would fit the stereotype of a 'hot dumb secretary'. We have not really been shown an indication of her competency unless I missed an update (which is possible)?

Compare that to the "Great Minds" in the room with Bunny and Parson in this very update - Pamela and Tish are both wearing more suggestive and "trashy" outfits. I am not sure the lady with the rollers in her hair counts as trashy unless the rolling pin look really floats your boat but for Parson to get a 'trashy' vibe from Bunny is a poor interpretation of her Signamancy.

Even if she was wearing her normal attire we have seen a lot of other characters dress much more provocatively than Bunny does.
CDS wrote:
Looking at the map here - http://archives.erfworld.com/Book+3/41

I prefer this version.

On a different tangent, we now do have confirmation that the white area between GK and TV is a mountain range. Taking into account that FAQ is also a "mountain kingdom" we can probably assume that this same range extends all the way north between Jitterati and Charlescomm, and if the white area east of Charlescomm is also impassable terrain of some kind that leaves Charlie with some impressive natural defenses for at least two, probably three of the cardinal directions.
CDS wrote:
I am also fairly curious of where you got the impression Bunny isn't competent at her role and would fit the stereotype of a 'hot dumb secretary'. We have not really been shown an indication of her competency unless I missed an update (which is possible)?


Out of all the Great Minds I think Tisha is the one least worthy of scorn behind Isaac. As for your statement, good catch. I was worried when I made that comparison, but I stand behind it. I was worried someone would assume that I was referring to Bunny as incompetent, but the "hot secretary" is not necessarily dumb. That's just a stereotype. In reality, even if a woman was just hired because she's hot doesn't mean she won't be competent at her job. That's often just an excuse people use to put scorn on the hiree.

As to Bunny's actual competence... she seems like she is competent but she's been around for at least 7200 turns and has been handicapped for a lot of that. However competent she is, she could probably be a lot better. Whether she deserves it or not, she's a criminal and that makes her "less employable" by Erfworld standards. Good thing she has TV for all this time, because her quality of work may not be as good as someone would expect from someone her age.
Someone's probably already said this. But I totally predict Bunny and Gobwin Knob helping lead a Non-Royal coup with Caesar against Don and Faq
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Out of all the Great Minds I think Tisha is the one least worthy of scorn behind Isaac. As for your statement, good catch. I was worried when I made that comparison, but I stand behind it. I was worried someone would assume that I was referring to Bunny as incompetent, but the "hot secretary" is not necessarily dumb. That's just a stereotype. In reality, even if a woman was just hired because she's hot doesn't mean she won't be competent at her job. That's often just an excuse people use to put scorn on the hiree.

As to Bunny's actual competence... she seems like she is competent but she's been around for at least 7200 turns and has been handicapped for a lot of that. However competent she is, she could probably be a lot better. Whether she deserves it or not, she's a criminal and that makes her "less employable" by Erfworld standards. Good thing she has TV for all this time, because her quality of work may not be as good as someone would expect from someone her age.


My point about Tish wasn't she is dressing 'trashly' but more the grey-skin, plunging figure hugging dress and old horror movie style look is exactly what Parson seems to be forming his opinion on with Bunny. I think the lady looks fine.

As for Bunny? I think by implying that you hired someone based on a metric that has nothing to do with their job - their looks. You're implying that they didn't get the job based on merit and that is where the 'dumb' stereotype comes from. Bunny by contrast apparently is so competent that the "Great Minds" find it prudent to have six master class thinkamancers guard her and had a deep enough understanding of her discipline (twenty years ago) that she was able to betray one of its secrets.

I just don't think it is fair judgement to make on Bunny at this stage. Her outfits are simply not very provocative (unless you count garish purple blouse and skirt combo as provocative) and her character seems to be the opposite of trashy unless drinking lemon water and eating biscuits every night has become trashy?

The only real femme fatale that we have been introduced to is Olive who is pretty much the epitome of that type of character.
I never said she was a femme fatale. And I may just be tired (like really tired) right now, but I don't remember calling her trashy. If I did, then I apologize. That's the wrong word to use for her. But what I was getting at is that she's more like a sexy assistant who could be hired for her looks, but is still good at her job.

Think Ms. Bellum from the Powerpuff Girls and you've got it. And being mute is a hell of a handicap. Benjamin doesn't even like talking to her through thinkspeak. Plus, she has to use juice just to talk, so she never takes the opportunity to put in her two cents. So yeah, she probably isn't as good at her job as she could be. That doesn't mean that she can't be AMAZING at her job. But that's like being good at wheelchair basketball. You could beat more skilled, non-handicapped players, but you're not going to make the NBA when you've lost your height advantage. It sucks and it's harsh, but it's true.