Book 3 - Page 4

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Lipkin wrote:
Davre wrote:
Lipkin wrote:
Haffaton did have those flying monkey units, whatever they were called. Olive used them as test subjects for her magic experiments. It wouldn't surprise me to learn they were linked to the Arkenshoes, and she was abusing them as another way to abuse Judy.


That's a sold guess, all though they don't really stack up against dwagons, archons, and no-upkeep decrypted. Of course, we don't know that much about them.

Judy was a powerful warlord until Olive got her hooks in.


I wonder what made her the perfect warlord other than the demands of the plot and/or the Oz theme?
Davre wrote:
Lipkin wrote:
Judy was a powerful warlord until Olive got her hooks in.
I wonder what made her the perfect warlord other than the demands of the plot and/or the Oz theme?
Obviously her great singing voice, innocent appearance, and ability to get money from male Commanders by forming "life-long" Signamancy contracts with them signified with rings.

On the topic of Stanley, I do wanna counter one assumption that was made; his level. I really don't think that level-wise he is on-par with Jillian and others. Jillian is super old and experienced, has spent almost her entire life in the field, and she's only a 9. Stanley on the other hand is younger than her, and has spent a good amount of time as Ruler, seeing less combat as a result due to the need to protect him.
Davre wrote:
Lipkin wrote:
Haffaton did have those flying monkey units, whatever they were called. Olive used them as test subjects for her magic experiments. It wouldn't surprise me to learn they were linked to the Arkenshoes, and she was abusing them as another way to abuse Judy.


That's a sold guess, all though they don't really stack up against dwagons, archons, and no-upkeep decrypted. Of course, we don't know that much about them.


But maybe with them at least, when they were stacked with the attuned of the Arkenshoes, they gained unlimited move as well? If so, she could stack as much with her as possible, and move across all of Erfworld, and suddenly attack someone 10, 20, 30 turns away under normal circumstances.
0beron wrote:
Davre wrote:
Lipkin wrote:
Judy was a powerful warlord until Olive got her hooks in.
I wonder what made her the perfect warlord other than the demands of the plot and/or the Oz theme?
Obviously her great singing voice, innocent appearance, and ability to get money from male Commanders by forming "life-long" Signamancy contracts with them signified with rings.

On the topic of Stanley, I do wanna counter one assumption that was made; his level. I really don't think that level-wise he is on-par with Jillian and others. Jillian is super old and experienced, has spent almost her entire life in the field, and she's only a 9. Stanley on the other hand is younger than her, and has spent a good amount of time as Ruler, seeing less combat as a result due to the need to protect him.


I'm not really sure we can conclude that. There are a number of factors pointing different ways. I believe that Ansom is much younger than Jillian, yet he's a level higher. Ossomer was relatively young IIRC, and also level 9. Stanley however is non-royal, so he'd level slower than those two. On the other hand, you gain XP from winning battles. With the Arkenhammer and a flight of dwagons, Stanley would have been able to defeat enemies normally far too powerful for a warlord of his level, enabling faster leveling.
0beron wrote:

On the topic of Stanley, I do wanna counter one assumption that was made; his level. I really don't think that level-wise he is on-par with Jillian and others. Jillian is super old and experienced, has spent almost her entire life in the field, and she's only a 9. Stanley on the other hand is younger than her, and has spent a good amount of time as Ruler, seeing less combat as a result due to the need to protect him.


I would like to counter your counter:
-Jillian spent most of her life as a princess raider, attacking weaker targets only when the opportunity arised. Meanwhile Stanley grew up on a constant meat grinder. He started as a basic staber and butchered his way to warlord. Promoting basic infantry to warlords is usually considered quite expensive, so Stanley must have racked a lot of levels for being noticed from the lower ranks. And once a warlord he was going for a daily dwagon hunting when not expanding GK's borders. I would bet he saw a lot more combat in his shorter life, in particular with his personality of "we're breaking trough!" in contrast to Jillian's "hit and run".
oslecamo2_temp wrote:
0beron wrote:

On the topic of Stanley, I do wanna counter one assumption that was made; his level. I really don't think that level-wise he is on-par with Jillian and others. Jillian is super old and experienced, has spent almost her entire life in the field, and she's only a 9. Stanley on the other hand is younger than her, and has spent a good amount of time as Ruler, seeing less combat as a result due to the need to protect him.


I would like to counter your counter:
-Jillian spent most of her life as a princess raider, attacking weaker targets only when the opportunity arised. Meanwhile Stanley grew up on a constant meat grinder. He started as a basic staber and butchered his way to warlord. Promoting basic infantry to warlords is usually considered quite expensive, so Stanley must have racked a lot of levels for being noticed from the lower ranks. And once a warlord he was going for a daily dwagon hunting when not expanding GK's borders. I would bet he saw a lot more combat in his shorter life, in particular with his personality of "we're breaking trough!" in contrast to Jillian's "hit and run".

Stanley was promoted because he attuned.
Lipkin wrote:
oslecamo2_temp wrote:

I would like to counter your counter:
-Jillian spent most of her life as a princess raider, attacking weaker targets only when the opportunity arised. Meanwhile Stanley grew up on a constant meat grinder. He started as a basic staber and butchered his way to warlord. Promoting basic infantry to warlords is usually considered quite expensive, so Stanley must have racked a lot of levels for being noticed from the lower ranks. And once a warlord he was going for a daily dwagon hunting when not expanding GK's borders. I would bet he saw a lot more combat in his shorter life, in particular with his personality of "we're breaking trough!" in contrast to Jillian's "hit and run".

Stanley was promoted because he attuned.
Not the first time. He found the hammer and attuned once he was already a warlord. source
Jatopian wrote:
Lipkin wrote:
oslecamo2_temp wrote:

I would like to counter your counter:
-Jillian spent most of her life as a princess raider, attacking weaker targets only when the opportunity arised. Meanwhile Stanley grew up on a constant meat grinder. He started as a basic staber and butchered his way to warlord. Promoting basic infantry to warlords is usually considered quite expensive, so Stanley must have racked a lot of levels for being noticed from the lower ranks. And once a warlord he was going for a daily dwagon hunting when not expanding GK's borders. I would bet he saw a lot more combat in his shorter life, in particular with his personality of "we're breaking trough!" in contrast to Jillian's "hit and run".

Stanley was promoted because he attuned.
Not the first time. He found the hammer and attuned once he was already a warlord. source

Huh. Well, I stand corrected.

But now that I think about it, I want to see Stanley lose the Hammer (temporarily or permanently) and pick up a pike. Then have him smile and still kick ass.
Lipkin wrote:
Stanley and Jillian could be mixing it up when Caesar arrives on the scene with his forces. Jillian gets over confident when Caesar arrives, only for Caesar to break alliance and attack her. Jillian escapes. Now Caesar has very few choices. He can be disbanded by King Don, he can turn barbarian, or he can attempt a coup. Stanley offers support and allegiance in exchange for Ansom's return. Caesar and his force turn barbarian and head towards TV. Or something.

I don't think Caeser could arrive while GK and Faq are battling, could they? Unless Faq is attacking, that is. After all, Caeser would be off-turn if Stanley is the one moving in for the attack.
Lipkin wrote:
But now that I think about it, I want to see Stanley lose the Hammer (temporarily or permanently) and pick up a pike. Then have him smile and still kick ass.


Agreed.