Book 3 - Page 38

Book 3 - Page 38
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Alpha the White wrote:
bladestorm wrote:
If you are so sure, put some Quatloo on Duncan not turning from Faq or Jillian.

Excuse me, you're the one making claims based on circumstances rather than evidence.

Besides, I'm probably gonna use all my quatloo to bet that Parson's a signamancer.


Nevertheless, he believed in her.*bold added

You could be adding another 20Q to that bid. I went ahead and posted a bid in the Amateur Predictamancy thread.
Given the nature of Charlie's contracts, Transylvito would need to be careful about trying to pay off the Giants. They probably can't turn if they wanted.

Does Transylvito know of Charlie's involvement in gaining FAQ's new natural allies though?
Gathrun wrote:
Given the nature of Charlie's contracts, Transylvito would need to be careful about trying to pay off the Giants. They probably can't turn if they wanted.

Does Transylvito know of Charlie's involvement in gaining FAQ's new natural allies though?

They wouldn't have to turn. They could just happen to be "somewhere else" when the attack takes place, much like how Stanley was "somewhere else" with ALL of the casters when the Hobgobwins revolted against Saline.
bladestorm wrote:
Alpha the White wrote:
So am I, but that doesn't change the fact that her controlling and impetuous nature don't appear to have affected his loyalty at all by the time of the battle of Spacerock.
Refer again to my point above, Erflings, and warlords in particular, are not just an assemblage of stats. They have personalities, and they make choices.
It's patently ridiculous to assume that in order for Duncan to be strongly loyal, Jillian would need to be increasing his loyalty. By the same token, her negative actions need not damage his Loyalty in any way, if he chooses not to let them.

And from what we've seen so far, Duncan Scone is now the kind of guy not to let stuff bother him.
It was Duncan that said to Ossomer: "You're really high-strung, you know that?"

If you are so sure, put some Quatloo on Duncan not turning from Faq or Jillian.

Duncan can have a strong Obedience, low Loyalty (from Turning and from Jillian's treatment), and high Duty (especially as CWL), and do everything your evidence points out. Same for Caesar who obediently waded into a slaughter, and had a high enough sense of Duty to override Don's request to bankrupt the Side, but his Loyalty is wavering due to actions taken by his Ruler. Sizemore followed Parson's orders to croak living units (completely against his personality and desires), and Duty compelled him to push the gems he found while linked to Wanda to the surface (as it was to the benefit of the Side), but he still loathes Parson for what he did and his Loyalty may be suffering for it.


Duncan's updates shows he is loyal. In every one of his updates he expresses pleasure in working for Jillian. Show me ONE instance where Duncan states that he is displeased with working for Jillian, that he HATES her? Duty and Obedience means a unit follows orders, but Loyalty is evidenced by a unit thinking highly of their leader, and Duncan has expressed a great deal of admiration of Jillian

In contrast, Ceasar's updates have shown us how much disdain he has for Don. How he HATES the direction his side is going, how much he disapproves of the don's orders and tactics, and how he fears for both his side and his life. Sizemore aswell, his updates has shown how much he HATES working for Parson. Duncan does not share such feelings for Jillian... He has found flaws with Jillian, but he NEVER claimed he hated her because of those flaws. He recognizes that Jillian has flaws but he looks beyond them and believes her to be a capable leader; a frustrating but very capable leader. Duncan, quite simply, does NOT believe what you ASSUME he should believe.

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It is also really easy to be confident your Queen will get you through a battle when you are wearing a magic item that gives you an intuitive feeling about match-ups, especially when almost all of them are favorable. Well, except for matching Wanda vs Jillian, which was like the Titans laughing -- that could be problematic.


No. Duncan's view of the battle was that they would lose in a straight fight.

"In this case, it was really more of a thought exercise. Certainly the enemy would overwhelm and annihilate them, if it came to that."

The numbers were NOT in Faq's favor. He only noted fair match ups, not victory and looking at the number of dwagons that GK had bought and the few forces that Faq has, his professional opinion was that they should rightly lose. However, despite how badly GK overpowered them, he felt that they would would be victorious regardless.

"Nevertheless, he believed in her."

He figured that Jillian had some kind of secret plan up her sleeve that would allow them to win just as she beat him with the giants.
Poor Vinny. I wonder how he'd feel if he knew what he was doing and chalking up to loyally going about his duties in regards to Faq was really all Caesar.

Also it's funny he keeps thinking "Nuttiness. And. Drama.", considering the dramas in his own side. Chief Warlord in relationship with Chief caster? Chief Warlord going behind the ruler's back? Dollmancer pulling a victimless Buffalo Bill down in the dungeons? Etc. TV seems just as nutty and drama filled.

Nice to see he's got an open mind about the decrypted as well.

ManaCaster wrote:
A bribe to the Giants, talk about a bunch of treacherous traitors. Were they disloyal before Charlie got to them or afterwards?


I was thinking maybe it's because they "turned" - we know normal units turned tend to have a lower loyalty (at least for a time), perhaps the same is true for a natural ally.

Or, being semi-sides dependant upon actual sides all natural allies might be open to breaking alliances for the right deal. If actual sides can make and break alliances as is convenient, no reason natural allies can't. I guess how likely they are to do so depends on the chieftain's relationship with the sides involved (like Gurp, who liked working for Stanley), and how much better the deal being offered is.

Or Vinny is misreading the situation - he doesn't know how Jillian got the giants to begin with. Maybe he's just assumed "well, she just threw some cash their way, and they joined us. If TV does the same, they'll abandon Faq." Plus TV has a thinkamancer and moneymancer - perhaps a two caster link up for bribe purposes...
Gathrun wrote:
Does Transylvito know of Charlie's involvement in gaining FAQ's new natural allies though?


They do not. Charlie has Jillian under non-disclosure, and she doesn't seem to really want Transylvito to know anyway.

Don King was very happy, though he would not be if he ever found out it was Charlie who had funded Vanna's contract. Even Vinny didn't know about that.
Mmm. Well, there was a lot that Vinny didn't know about.
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On the trip home, he was burning to know how she had done it. She refused to say, and he kept asking, until they had another huge fight about it.
He could sulk as long as he wanted, though. There was no way she was ever going to tell him this was Charlie's idea.
Duncan practically worships his wonderful new Queen.
I can't see how you can miss that.
If she behaves unpredictably or erratically, Duncan chalks it up to her being some kind of genius.
DVL wrote:
Duncan practically worships his wonderful new Queen.
I can't see how you can miss that.
If she behaves unpredictably or erratically, Duncan chalks it up to her being some kind of genius.

Same way you can miss the signs pointing to him turning. Him hooking up with Vanna is filled with bad stuff. His statements earlier towards Vanna seemed a little off, but now that the relationship has been revealed, they make a lot more sense. Maybe if Vanna were a Faq unit, things would be different. But she is on contract to Faq, and paid for by Charlie, who also just mind-melded with her to strong-arm the hobgobwins and basically completely took over her body. She is not to be trusted. Duncan's plot countdown has already started.
bladestorm wrote:
DVL wrote:
Duncan practically worships his wonderful new Queen.
I can't see how you can miss that.
If she behaves unpredictably or erratically, Duncan chalks it up to her being some kind of genius.

Same way you can miss the signs pointing to him turning. Him hooking up with Vanna is filled with bad stuff. His statements earlier towards Vanna seemed a little off, but now that the relationship has been revealed, they make a lot more sense. Maybe if Vanna were a Faq unit, things would be different. But she is on contract to Faq, and paid for by Charlie, who also just mind-melded with her to strong-arm the hobgobwins and basically completely took over her body. She is not to be trusted. Duncan's plot countdown has already started.


That's premature.
Duncan is tupping tail that he sees because he's a laidback character. He's never shown sexual interest in Jillian, his love of her is more of that of an awed subject for his monarch. So jealousy isn't a factor.

And I don't think Charlie wants to make a move on Jillian.

I think if he learned about Charlie, then maybe some of the magic would fall away from Jillian, but I doubt it. I think Duncan's sort of zen attitude is a sincere change in his outlook. He'll shrug with indifference and go about living. Outside of severe abuse or gross incompetence, I don't think there will be much that'll turn him.
DVL wrote:
I think Duncan's sort of zen attitude is a sincere change in his outlook. He'll shrug with indifference and go about living.


Some of that Loj Banhammer spirit lives on, then :) in theme with Faq eastern-asian theme.

bladestorm wrote:
Garuda Indonesia.


Took long enough :)
Also, whoever said the crest looks like an airline logo, well that's because it looks like an airline logo... Look up Garuda Indonesia, the national airline of Indonesia.