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You were doing "A Few Good Men"? I thought you were quoting Wallstreet.

No wait, I'm confusing "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" with "Greed is good".
Anomynous 167 wrote:
You were doing "A Few Good Men"? I thought you were quoting Wallstreet.

No wait, I'm confusing "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" with "Greed is good".


Isn't the Truth that Greed is Good?

So Lawful Good means greedy and loophole finding ... Hey, the lawyers of wallstreet are the lawful good paladins!
keybounce wrote:
Anomynous 167 wrote:
You were doing "A Few Good Men"? I thought you were quoting Wallstreet.

No wait, I'm confusing "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" with "Greed is good".


Isn't the Truth that Greed is Good?

So Lawful Good means greedy and loophole finding ... Hey, the lawyers of wallstreet are the lawful good paladins!


... if Rich Burlew's Sapphire Guard shows up in ErfWorld... you are so fired.
Darkstar7613 wrote:
keybounce wrote:
Anomynous 167 wrote:
You were doing "A Few Good Men"? I thought you were quoting Wallstreet.

No wait, I'm confusing "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH" with "Greed is good".


Isn't the Truth that Greed is Good?

So Lawful Good means greedy and loophole finding ... Hey, the lawyers of wallstreet are the lawful good paladins!


... if Rich Burlew's Sapphire Guard shows up in ErfWorld... you are so fired.

Earlier this month I had an Erfy idea for a wandering order of crime-solving barbarian (samurai-esque?) paladins, that are beholden to no overlord.

I called them the "Roamin'".


edit: I would say I scrapped that idea when I remembered Rich did a similar thing but with feudal lords over the paladins instead of no-feudal lords over paladins, but it was more of a case with not knowing where to fit that joke in.
Anomynous 167 wrote:
Spoiler: show
Yawner wrote:
The fate of Delphine Temple actually contradicts that Predictamancers cause events to happen by willfully predicting them (or that they can have them "un-happen", by knowing the fate through prediction). Her fate shows, that Predictamancers may not really have any agency in whatever they predict. She didn't want the fate she predicted to come into fruition, because that meant the end of her and her side. Why would she willfully predict something that opposite to her will, if the sole act of predicting was what caused that to happen? And why didn't she do anything to prevent it, if it fate wasn't inevitable?

Btw., how many times predicted fate has been avoided by anyone? Like, permanently avoided, not just delayed like Sylvia and (apparently) Charlie?

Delphie never tried to avoid fate, she simply lied about what was fated to happen. Wanda turning to Haffaton didn't mean the end of Goodminton, but her refusal to turn in the first place caused Haffaton to swallow up the side, forcing Wanda's hand the hard way to turn to Haffaton from being a Barbarian.

Delphie was scared for her side since as her side didn't have a fate, anything could happen, and from her screwing around with Clay Dice, anything bad that could happen would happen. Bet in the past that Clay and Delphie would gamble together to see which was stronger, predictamancy or Luckmancy. Delphie would predict a number, and then Clay would try and influence the die in a way to not land on that number. But each time they threw the dice, it always landed on the number Delphie called. Such a bet was probably how Delphie Temple took the position of Chief Caster, showing "once and for all" (or 67th and for all, Clay was stubborn and wouldn't take one defeat for an answer.). It was this loss that led to Clay converting to alcoholism, where he was in his pitiful state when Wanda turned up.
When Clay Dice told Wanda that she couldn't defy fate by jumping off a building because she wouldn't, that was the voice of a man that had lost everything. The most luckless and unlucky Luckamancer since Lucky Luke looked away from his shadow and got shot.

But I digress.


Delphie Temple is just a shitty predictamancer. All predictamancers start out as shitty predictamancers, even Marie. It was as a shitty predictamancer that Marie predicted Faq's fall in the first place. A good predictamancer wouldn't predict their soveriegn's death or their kingdom's fall in the first place.
The king asked his newly tained Predictamancer whether his kingdom shall fall. Gazing into the future, Marie saw the probable and sealed it into a certainty. After seeing what shall happen she dictated the happenings to her king. But a true magician never reveals their secrets, or perhaps she hadn't quite mastered her field yet.

The king kept asking, wanting to know if the future would change, and if he had his own grim future. And in ignorance or obediance she followed. Each time she predicted the same, though sometimes there'd be more details. Many a time did she predict Faq's fall. And so befell Faq, many a time.

Anyways, speaking of Predictamancers and Luckmancers. Isn't it ironic how the predictamancers concider the concept of "luck" to be a joke, yet Marie has a horseshoe for her crest.
Anomynous 167 wrote:
Anyways, speaking of Predictamancers and Luckmancers. Isn't it ironic how the predictamancers concider the concept of "luck" to be a joke, yet Marie has a horseshoe for her crest.

Not really - Marie knows that when she croaks for the final time, it'll be at the hooves of a unipegataur named Alphie O'Mega. Luck's got nothing to do with it.
Anomynous 167 wrote:

Anyways, speaking of Predictamancers and Luckmancers. Isn't it ironic how the predictamancers concider the concept of "luck" to be a joke, yet Marie has a horseshoe for her crest.


Ah, but it's an upside-down horseshoe, which means your Luck has run out.
Anomynous 167 wrote:
Anyways, speaking of Predictamancers and Luckmancers. Isn't it ironic how the predictamancers concider the concept of "luck" to be a joke, yet Marie has a horseshoe for her crest.

Luck is a wild horse till Fate puts shoes on it.
Given all the murders and backstabbing Marie's indulged in, I honestly can't think of a more suitable response.

Free Radical wrote:
Interesting - Marie thinks she needs to be quick to get Wanda, but gets stuck in prison. Meanwhile, Phil Predicts that Buck will stop Wanda going through the portal, despite that not seeming something obviously Predicted to Marie.

I think all that suggests that Phil is lying about his Prediction to Buck, but that Marie is mistaken about Wanda being Predicted to arrive in Faq this turn. Marie is possibly confused because she had long ago Predicted that Wanda would serve in Faq again, which she assumes ties in with the other Predictions she's using at the moment!

The reason for Phil's lie would be that if Buck confronts Wanda by the portal to Faq and tells her that he is Predicted to stop her from going through the portal, Wanda will immediately decide not to go through. That will fulfill the supposed Prediction in Wanda's mind, and leave her free to simply croak him.

Phil gets what he wants, the actual prophecy to be fulfilled in the way he desires, despite not actually having a Prediction on it...

I don't think the rodent's pet prophet is lying (he said flat out there are no competing predictions). Rather, it seems highly likely that the prediction Marie is claiming will lead to Wanda turning to Faq can be fulfilled without her going anywhere near ICFYS.

Buck then, could remove the possibility of Wanda heading into the portal in question by repeatedly bruising her fists with his face, running for his life as she stalked him through the tunnels, reminding her about the prisoners he murdered causing her to ask some pointed questions about Faq's prisoners, boasting about how he's predicted to stop her going through a certain portal thus causing her to doubt any claims to the contrary or just by driving her into some other portal to avoid his attacks.

Sir Dr D wrote:
And I found it interesting that Jillian referred to Banhammer as 'Daddy', which is a term of endearment. Would the inner peace Jillian have ever called him 'Daddy' instead of more formal terms? Has something happened between events that caused the two to be closer together?

Like perhaps Banhammer was positively influenced by Saline IV or something

I recall her using the term in Book zero. Not out loud mind. But she did think it. Wait, I tell a lie, she called him 'daddy' in private at least once.

WarFAN wrote:
Evil_Lamp_6 wrote:
Just a thought: We (or at least I, and apparently Jillian) believed that some combination of Stanley/Wanda were responsible for the fall of FAQ 1.0 (King Banhammer's FAQ). But...What if Marie was really the one who orchestrated it? It was at the very least hinted in Book 0 that Predictamancer Delphie may have had her hand in the downfall of Goodminton. I am now suspecting that Marie might have had a similar role in FAQ's downfall.

Marie answered Jillian honestly in Panel 4. If she herself was responsible, that could be why the ellipsis is present. Additionally, it could be quite why Marie is hesitant to provide the truth as Jillian (probably rightfully) would croak her then and there if that were the case for all the trouble she (Marie) has caused her (Jillian). Hence the request for a Pinkie Swear in Panel 7. And the title is also a nice callback to the very opening to Book 0 itself.

Jillian and you are right about the Wanda/Stanley combination and the end of FAQ 1.0. It has been confirmed by both Stanley and Wanda.

And Wanda's attunement to an Arkentool was Predicted by Marie. Wanda contacted Stanley and told him about FAQ 1.0 to ambush him and take his Arkenhammer. Stanley encountered a ton of dwagons in his way to FAQ and the ambush failed. When Stanley's victory was clear, Wanda turned to Gobwin Knob and killed Banhammer herself.

Well for a start, I don't recall either Wanda or Stanley saying a word about how Banhammer actually died, he could have choked on a bone for all we know. But never mind that, even if we take everything they have said at face value, there's plenty of room for Marie's controlling hand to have struck, sabotaging Faq's defences, using scrolls to compel Wanda, the sky's the limit. She's obviously capable.

And you know, it may have been Faq who knocked over Goodminton, Marie is believed to have made her "Faq's doom" prediction when she first laid eyes on Wanda, twelve turns before Goodminton fell, that's enough time to launch a strike given the distances spoken of when Gillian found the place. And there was a mystery relating to the spent state of the city's air defences left unexplained. In that scenario, Marie's prediction was self fulfilling due to Wanda's vengeance oath.

Yawner wrote:
I think predictamancers causing things to happen by predicting is sort of like saying, that windmills cause the wind to blow. You always see windmills turning when the wind is blowing and when they don't - the wind is still. And if you stand close to a windmill that has been artificially forced to turn, you can actually feel the wind on your face. So, windmills => wind, predictions => fate?

Obviously not, but, just like a windmill can cause a slight breeze, a predictamancer can cause a slight shift towards the fated occurance just by the sole act of predicting. We have no evidence, that predictamancers can willfully cause anything to happen by predicting it, only that they can willfully push the events towards the predicted fate (Marie being the extreme (and, in my opinion, a very, very misguided) example of that).

The fate of Delphine Temple actually contradicts that Predictamancers cause events to happen by willfully predicting them (or that they can have them "un-happen", by knowing the fate through prediction). Her fate shows, that Predictamancers may not really have any agency in whatever they predict. She didn't want the fate she predicted to come into fruition, because that meant the end of her and her side. Why would she willfully predict something that opposite to her will, if the sole act of predicting was what caused that to happen? And why didn't she do anything to prevent it, if it fate wasn't inevitable?

Btw., how many times predicted fate has been avoided by anyone? Like, permanently avoided, not just delayed like Sylvia and (apparently) Charlie?

I mostly agree, there is indeed no evidence to support the thinkamancers' claims... but... even with Fate existing independently of any sorcery, it's not impossible they're right about how predictamancy itself works. It is a theory designed to glorify thinkamancy however, so a salt mine or two should be taken.

Yes, among the many problems with predictamancers like Marie, is that much like the Jedi, they confuse knowledge with wisdom. The person who made the predictions isn't necessarily the best person to decide what to do about them.

The trouble with Delphie is that she tried to do what Marie's doing, forcing fate to happen on her own terms (although to a less of an extreme than Marie, who has committed multiple murders (I suspect Delphie, for all her faults, genuinely was trying to minimize the pain and suffering for all concerned) and appears to be trying to fulfil predictions on a technicality). But Goodminton and she herself had no specific fates, so she was mostly guessing and hoping, which is a large part of why everything she touched blew up. I do wonder what it was her peers (Marie may well have been among them) had to say on the matter.

Never to my knowledge.
Whispri wrote:
Given all the murders and backstabbing Marie's indulged in, I honestly can't think of a more suitable response.
Well, I'm not sure that Marie has really indulged in much of either, by Erfworld standards. What we actually know is that she's the first of the Old Faq casters to bother rejoining New Faq, and she was willing to croak a high-level GK warlord to do it.
Whispri wrote:
I mostly agree, there is indeed no evidence to support the thinkamancers' claims... but... even with Fate existing independently of any sorcery, it's not impossible they're right about how predictamancy itself works. It is a theory designed to glorify thinkamancy however, so a salt mine or two should be taken.
I would expand on that caution by pointing out that this theory is attributed to exactly one heavily Carnied Thinkamancer, who clearly has only as much contact with reality as Jojo permits. The theory itself seems more like a description of how Carnymancy interacts with fortunes than anything else, or at least a theory practically designed to make RVC far more receptive to working directly against Predictions than the rest of the GMTTA seemed.