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qq wrote:
MrYar wrote:
I don't think so because I don't think you realize how much the MK, in general, hates/is afraid of Parson because of what he's done. He's a commander who can go into the MK. He brought an army in there too (via Decryption.) And at the Battle of Portal park, he finally brought war into the MK as well.


See, that's just it. Parson brought army into MK, trough Decryption. Sure, that army might have been bit rude towards casters in their zeal to protect GK commanders, but nothing more. To have a war, one needs two sides, and it was Charlie that brought second army into MK, and not trough decryption, but trough his portal, just like that. Killing/banning Wanda from entering MK solves entirely Decrypted army issue. Not keeping lots of corpses in MK also prevents her from suddenly rushing MK. But none of those do anything about Charlie being able to dump an army into MK. Oh, right, they are going to block his portal. I'm sure he will not fund dummy side to serve as his front in contacts with MK, including desant point from another rigged portal if he ever decides it's time to take over MK.

To be fair, probably biggest reason trial went the way it did is because Great Minds did not tell everyone how dangerous Charlie really is, because it would require admitting to what they can do, how they were breaking old Bargain. Or maybe GMs, despite their knowledge about underground bunker (that's where they found Claud and Ivan) still underestimated Charlie and figured Parson can still defeat him, no matter how they work against him. At least this quickly came back to bite their asses.


Except that, to the people watching the trial, Charlie only brought his army into the MK as a reaction to Parson attacking his portal. Parson's just hanging out because he wants to. He could have disbanded the units there, or made them barbarian, or come up with some kind of compromise to make the casters feel more comfortable. He sets up shop with the elites, starts scouting Charlie's portal straight-off, and then just sits there. With his death army.

I'd be joining with Charlie too.
PastorofMuppets wrote:
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If I've not said this before, Pastor Of Muppets is my name on several other forums.... I half thought I'd had posted something and forgotten I had posted, almost panicked and checked with the Doctor for Alzheimers symptoms.
yogomakeoshimi wrote:
Crisco wrote:
That's just it: it isn't a convincing lie. Like, at all. Bullets came out of CC's portal, and hit free casters. No further GK units came out of the portal.


When in a firefight you cannot really tell where the bullets are coming from. The witnesses never got a freeze-frame shot of the bullets leaving the portal. A break-down of what the casters experienced:

Getting hit by unknown damage causing pain
Hearing pop-pop (bullets are faster than sound) from the direction of
GK troops with strange weapons by CC's portal

Then a fight between GK troops (with strange weapons that go pop-pop) and floating arrows.
Dead archons
Decrypted archons.

For a group that already LIKES Charlie (he pays!) and hates GK (they invaded our sacred space!) the concept that, what you now understand to be bullets, came through the portal (impossible!), is easy to disregard. GK will say anything to implicate Charlie and take blame off themselves. GK threatened the citizens of the Magic Kingdom the first day the troops arrived: "interfere and you will die and be resurrected as one of us"! The mobs cursing out the troops had gotten bigger every time they had come to the portal.

Jojo could only carny the casters he touched. We see him touch 2, maybe 3, casters. The rest was using carny sense to the say the right things at the right time to the right people to get them to act as they already wanted to act and believe the things that they already wanted to believe. Mobs have been whipped into similar frenzies throughout time and place across stupid world with magic or magical senses.

- ninja'd darnit

1. You ever been in a firefight? It's pretty clear where bullets are coming from; there's a report (bang) coming from a pretty clear direction, unless you're in as area rife with mountains where it'll echo. Hell, we literally have technology capable of pinpointing exactly where someone is based on gunfire sounds.

2. As far as we've seen, sound doesn't carry through portals. There wouldn't have been anything other than a possible sound of impact on the MK side of the portal, in this case. Even when the debris came through, there was no explosion sound, just debris. Gunfire wouldn't have started yet. That should've been evidence enough that something was off, even before Archons (non caster units, which should've been disbanded on contact) came pouring through the portal.

3. You said it yourself, GK/Parson made it clear: don't mess with them and you're fine. They've been there plenty of time without incident, until all of a sudden shit starts flying out of the CC portal. Again, evidence something is off.

4. Yes, it is obvious CC started it (in reference to the post before yours, I'm on my phone and don't want to mess with multiple quotes here), but as I said, apparently carnymancy is super Jedi magic instead of the incredibly limited power we've been told. This has been shown over and over. It's a broken school. Every new power shown is more ridiculous than the last. It's not even a surprise that JoJo rewrites the narrative on a whim when it happens because lol carnymancy.
Crisco wrote:
yogomakeoshimi wrote:
Crisco wrote:
That's just it: it isn't a convincing lie. Like, at all. Bullets came out of CC's portal, and hit free casters. No further GK units came out of the portal.


When in a firefight you cannot really tell where the bullets are coming from. The witnesses never got a freeze-frame shot of the bullets leaving the portal. A break-down of what the casters experienced:

Getting hit by unknown damage causing pain
Hearing pop-pop (bullets are faster than sound) from the direction of
GK troops with strange weapons by CC's portal

Then a fight between GK troops (with strange weapons that go pop-pop) and floating arrows.
Dead archons
Decrypted archons.

For a group that already LIKES Charlie (he pays!) and hates GK (they invaded our sacred space!) the concept that, what you now understand to be bullets, came through the portal (impossible!), is easy to disregard. GK will say anything to implicate Charlie and take blame off themselves. GK threatened the citizens of the Magic Kingdom the first day the troops arrived: "interfere and you will die and be resurrected as one of us"! The mobs cursing out the troops had gotten bigger every time they had come to the portal.

Jojo could only carny the casters he touched. We see him touch 2, maybe 3, casters. The rest was using carny sense to the say the right things at the right time to the right people to get them to act as they already wanted to act and believe the things that they already wanted to believe. Mobs have been whipped into similar frenzies throughout time and place across stupid world with magic or magical senses.

- ninja'd darnit

1. You ever been in a firefight? It's pretty clear where bullets are coming from; there's a report (bang) coming from a pretty clear direction, unless you're in as area rife with mountains where it'll echo. Hell, we literally have technology capable of pinpointing exactly where someone is based on gunfire sounds.

2. As far as we've seen, sound doesn't carry through portals. There wouldn't have been anything other than a possible sound of impact on the MK side of the portal, in this case. Even when the debris came through, there was no explosion sound, just debris. Gunfire wouldn't have started yet. That should've been evidence enough that something was off, even before Archons (non caster units, which should've been disbanded on contact) came pouring through the portal.

3. You said it yourself, GK/Parson made it clear: don't mess with them and you're fine. They've been there plenty of time without incident, until all of a sudden shit starts flying out of the CC portal. Again, evidence something is off.

4. Yes, it is obvious CC started it (in reference to the post before yours, I'm on my phone and don't want to mess with multiple quotes here), but as I said, apparently carnymancy is super Jedi magic instead of the incredibly limited power we've been told. This has been shown over and over. It's a broken school. Every new power shown is more ridiculous than the last. It's not even a surprise that JoJo rewrites the narrative on a whim when it happens because lol carnymancy.

Casters did not trust Wanda, she might decrypt them all in one massive battle. GK had a standing army in Magic Kingdom for first time ever.

Nature of people in stupid world is to shape the facts to fit their desired beliefs. Eg Obama is bad and Bush is good or reverse in US politics. We mostly hear only the bad side of warming in coldest regions of earth as result of "climate change". In our part of world, Russia is bad in eastern ukraine, but Saudi arabia no big deal bombing in Yemen and Egypt referendum not so bad despite you get arrested for advertising for other side. US has a law against funding any country that acquires nukes and yet funds Israel, India, Pakistan.

The casters wanted Wanda and friends gone, they were a threat. Yes the casters also wanted Charlie gone. The details don't matter too much, only whatever yields desired end result, seen similar games in real life when emotional people argue.
Going back to the subject of the Carnymancer's influencing the trial itself, we know as a matter of fact that they've been systematically stirring things up against GK since at least the battle for Spacerock and probably did so on Charlie's behest to get Parson kicked out of the MK the first time. We also know from the observations of the GMTTA during RVC's updates that the Carnies were working to influence the outcome of the trial, both through open advocacy and Carnymancy.

Of course the corresponding point that the GMTTA hasn't been completely honest and above board in all their dealings is worth noting, particularly in light of this most recent update. Deisaac seems to know way more about Lilith (both the battle of Lilith and the nature of her connection to Wanda) than the GMTTA were willing to reveal during the trial. Indeed, he wasn't dancing around in front of Lilith by some kind of accident, he veiled while heading for her after apparently clearing Parson to his own satisfaction. He could have been planning to help Wanda escape initially, though he might well have gathered that she was already free by the time we see him on the move. But it was certainly an intentional move resulting from some Decision.

The Predictamancers are also apparently engaged in some complex B.S. game, what with P. Roffercy's 'defection' to lead nearly everyone away from the prisoners so that Deisaac has no serious obstacles other than a couple of bored Stuffamancers (Derrick is definitely snoozing, the new guy doesn't look especially awake, given the excitement I'm suspecting a suggestion of some kind). Annie basically calls their B.S. games by wondering how much of it is really necessary and how much is just for their own amusement. And who even knows what other factions are acting to influence events to some other end.

Thinking about it can make anyone tired, I'm not surprised a lot of people would rather think of fairly straightforward tactical innovations rather than wade blindfolded through the treacherous undercurrents of MK politics, but we can't really avoid them at this point in the story.
Melendwyr wrote:
About Charlie "holding the idiot ball":

Remember, his Signamancy is based on Charlie Brown. And Charlie Brown never gets to the football. He can't resist attempting to kick it, even though he's pretty sure it's going to be yanked away at the last moment. It's who he is.

Charlie can't resist taking a kick at Wanda, even though in a sense he knows better.

It would be cool if for Book 4, Wanda had Lucy van Pelt Signamancy...


And, yes, I know the joke has been made before.
Crisco wrote:

1. You ever been in a firefight?
No. However, often been out on the first day of the duck season. Can't say I could have been sure exactly where on my left or right, shots were coming from.
We need the opinion of someone who has been shot at.
Tonot wrote:
Crisco wrote:

1. You ever been in a firefight?
No. However, often been out on the first day of the duck season. Can't say I could have been sure exactly where on my left or right, shots were coming from.
We need the opinion of someone who has been shot at.

Would it matter in the Magic Kingdom' court of law? None of the surviving witnesses during the trial were shot at.
Crisco wrote:
Apparently carnymancy is super Jedi magic instead of the incredibly limited power we've been told. This has been shown over and over. It's a broken school. Every new power shown is more ridiculous than the last.
I love that about Carnymancy. It's a mysterious magic of trickery and Carnymancers like to lie about what Carnymancy can do, because they can make more money by tricking their clients. I'd bet that Carnymancy can't really do most of the things that we've seen Carnymancy apparently doing, because Carnymancers are tricking people into thinking that it's more powerful than it is.
Good grief!