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Veryinky wrote:
Whispri wrote:
Here. The miss, nothing like it had ever happened before. That's his number one source of unmellow.

If it had hit, Jillian would have croaked, but since Jillian was fated to Meet Marie at a city named "I'm coming for you Stanley" 18 turns later it was impossible for Jillian to croak or be captured that day. So the hammer missed.

Or she could be fated to join forces with Wanda in some unstated fashion if that was the cause of her salvation. I'm put in mind of Ansom's failed attempt to attack Wanda with the pliers though.
Veryinky wrote:
Whispri wrote:
Here. The miss, nothing like it had ever happened before. That's his number one source of unmellow.

If it had hit, Jillian would have croaked, but since Jillian was fated to Meet Marie at a city named "I'm coming for you Stanley" 18 turns later it was impossible for Jillian to croak or be captured that day. So the hammer missed.

Duncan was hit and survived. If fate was protecting her there, it had ways to do it without being so dramatic about. And fate dictums tend to do things with the least dramatic way possible. That's one of the reasons I think it missed because Charlie cast a carny spell on here, Jillian had come prepared with Shockamancy protlection or she had the Megalo screen for her. Stanley had no idea why the blast missed, but I think both Jillian and Charlie knows. That 'you missed ' line was Jillian playing with Stanley's mind, which seemed to have worked.
Adept wrote:
Knavigator wrote:
Adept wrote:
It never occurred to me to think of Janice's or Marie's signamancy as that of decay. They both seem healthy and happy.

I figured they look prosperous and peaceful, as in not warlike. Granted, in a wargame setting that could be seen as a weakness, but they are casters, not warladies. I think their signamancy says they are doing very well, prospering.

There's an old Finnish expression that is hard to translate perfectly. It means "doing well / being content" and would translafe word-for-word as "Feeling fat(ly)" <-- literally fatly, as it's kind of playful and not correct grammar.


Honestly, I hadn't thought of it as decay either but the only larger people you see in Erfworld who aren't Heavies (at least I assume aren't Heavies; Slately, Janis, Marie, Don, Charlie...) are all people who haven't seen battle personally in many many turns.

Yes, but the rulers and city castellans we've seen complaining about their signamancy decay have all been warlords. A warlord confined to city duty seems to suffer some signs of decay. They are meant to be in the field, as a unit type that is. Fighting battles.

I wonder if it's less harmful for casters, who don't seem as physical for the most part.

There's a certain middle aged weariness to Sizemore. I think being on permanent crap golem duty wasn't good for him. On the other hand he has the look of a scholarly monk, which fits his pursuits in the magic kingdom.

Many of the casters of FAQ were big and fat, as was their king. A lot of sitting on cushions and eating. On the other hand Rusty Trombone and Jack Snipe were both skinny, and neither was in high favour at the court.

Jack Snipe had spent quite a few turns outside of Faq's capital, veiling cities that were about to be scouted. Marie just sat around with Hubble, predicting which cities were about to be spotted.
Knavigator wrote:
Adept wrote:
It never occurred to me to think of Janice's or Marie's signamancy as that of decay. They both seem healthy and happy.

I figured they look prosperous and peaceful, as in not warlike. Granted, in a wargame setting that could be seen as a weakness, but they are casters, not warladies. I think their signamancy says they are doing very well, prospering.

There's an old Finnish expression that is hard to translate perfectly. It means "doing well / being content" and would translafe word-for-word as "Feeling fat(ly)" <-- literally fatly, as it's kind of playful and not correct grammar.


Honestly, I hadn't thought of it as decay either but the only larger people you see in Erfworld who aren't Heavies (at least I assume aren't Heavies; Slately, Janis, Marie, Don, Charlie...) are all people who haven't seen battle personally in many many turns.

Don is totally a heavy: he's of the same build as Al Frapacino and you've seen him crush Jillian in a big ol' bare-chested bear-hug.
Skull the Troll wrote:
Sir Dr D wrote:
Chiu ChunLing wrote:

Of course, I say this with a perspective of Erfworld that simply rules out the idea that Rob is simply making the larger plot up as he goes along. If I'm wrong about that, then kudos to Rob on being a superhuman genius at plotting on the fly, and I'm still ready to see what he comes up with next. But if I'm right, then Rob can't simply remove Jillian from the plot development at this point no matter how many people hate her (personally, or because of her character type, or for her role in the story). She's a major plot element, and unless Rob wants to put continuing the serial publication of Erfworld off for a few months while he reworks the established storyline to remove her, she's going to play the part she was written to play.

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Rob can do a lot to rescue her character. One of the problems is she is shrouded in mystery, and she doesn't communicate. She keeps her thoughts, reasoning and goals to herself. So no one understands her. Once we learn more about her, such as why she exactly wants to go after Stanley, and what Charlie did to her mind, it will help. I think we will start getting this information starting with this conversation with Marie. I believe Wanda and Jillian are meant to be on the same side. And that is the reason everytime Wanda is involved, Jillian becomes unreliable.


You need to read Book 0 Peace through Superior Firepower. There's hours of reading inside of Jillian's mind and specifics about why she is the way she is. As for why she wants to kill Stanley, we know that too, Stanley killed (or was responsible for the killing of) her Father, FAQ itself, and her lover, Ansom. Stanley also is responsible for her being separated from Jack and Wanda.

I dislike Jillian as a person, but shes great as a character. Shes what reminds us that "fate" is such a powerful force in this world. That these people live inside a game. That even the ones that have more apparent free will than a level one piker are still bound in powerful ways. She not a tactical genius, or even particularly good at acting in her own self interest. This is what makes her not a Mary-Sue, Mary Sues don't have flaws. They are, in the words of the tropes, Author Avatars.

You know Chun just went on a rant on how Mary Sues are not Author Avatars? To call a Mary Sue "flawless" and then say that he is an Author Avatar would imply that the author himself is a flawless person. I mean, if the author is just writing "What he knows", you can't blame him for knowing himself.
artificeintel wrote:
dirocyn wrote:

The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world!
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Maybe, if Pinky had been a bloodthirsty berserker and brain were a cold, backstabbing, megalomaniac dedicated to cultivating a cult focused on himself/herself and obsessed with fate.
...oh, wait. Jillian is already part of such a pairing.


Brain is a cold, megalomaniac, who tried the "cult" method in at least one episode. Heck, at least once, he did "backstab" Pinky and lose his "win" as a result.

Pinky? Super intelligent, easily distracted, has a "depth first" thinking (highly focused) without any regard for "this plan has gotten too complicated". Not blood thirsty.

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Veryinky wrote:
Whispri wrote:
Here. The miss, nothing like it had ever happened before. That's his number one source of unmellow.

If it had hit, Jillian would have croaked, but since Jillian was fated to Meet Marie at a city named "I'm coming for you Stanley" 18 turns later it was impossible for Jillian to croak or be captured that day. So the hammer missed.


I really hope we will eventually get a more in-dept explanation than "fate" on why Jillian evaded/resisted the Arkenhammer.

It'd be just like "unit XY" is fated to end then and there so it can't be decrypted, even if all conditions are met (presence of Wanda, Attunement, croaking of unit xy) or Charlie would be unable to contact his special Archon, even if the situation would normally allow it. Such unexplained events reek of deus-ex machina, without even having bothered to veil with some sort excuse (critter flying in the line of the lightning or something).

Just switching off the functionality of an Arkentool because of you know fate...is very unsatisfactory storytelling imho. It very much contributes to the wide dislike of Jillian (at least mine).
Whispri wrote:
Here. The miss, nothing like it had ever happened before. That's his number one source of unmellow.
I knew I remembered something like that. That probably means that the miss wasn't just a miss. Technically it could just be that Stanley rarely shot at such high-level warlords and this just happens to be the first time one managed to dodge, but the way page 220 makes a special point about it suggests there is something deeper going on. It's a question that's sure to be answered someday, because the book chose to draw special attention to it. It wouldn't have done that if it weren't planning to reveal the answer.

Going out on a limb, I'm going to guess that Jillian would attune to the arkenhammer if she ever got her hands on it, and the arkenhammer failed to hit her because she has influence over it even when she's not directly touching it. She seems like the type that might attune to the hammer, and maybe that's exactly what's going to happen somehow.
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There was the situation with the 'pliers not working for Ansom when Wanda was after him. But I personally doubt that this means Jillian will attune to the 'hammer. If Jillian attunes (and it's very possible) it would make more sense for her to attune to the 'shoes.

Then again, we know that attuned can be croaked, and it doesn't take an Arkentool.

We also know that there are less exotic ways to beat Shockmancy, one of which was demonstrated to the Tool not especially long after the thing with missing Jillian. Charlie could have linked with Vanna and cast something on Jillian before that battle, or she could have had some kind of anti-Shockmancy item on her, or relied on the plated heavy flier to divert the bolt, or any number of other things. But not knowing why the 'hammer missed would still bug Stanley, especially when he was being reminded that the contract didn't protect GK from Jillian or give them any recourse against her personally. He did remember that, but he immediately jumped to "dang, the 'hammer didn't work on her either, what was up with that?"
Sir Dr D wrote:
While a fun loving male (such as say Stanley) we have no problem seeing as a leader? It could be a lot harder for a woman to have all that fun with the Juggles, without losing respect. But a male showing a bit of fun like that could raise peoples opinion of him.


Since when have anyone seen Stanley as a leader? if you look at the characters in comic, they are all playing him out as a fool that must be managed in order to not be disbanded or stop ruining the grand strategy.

That he is changing for the better doesn't mean he wouldn't be considered a leader if he were a female, and note. If he where a respected leader he would probably change also signamantically and grow in size.
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