Book 3 - Page 252

Flak from the tower

Book 3 - Page 252
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zilfallon wrote:
O.o

Wait, what did Anom167 do to get banned? That must have taken some serious effort on his part.

Seriously. I mean, he always posts weird/tangential stuff, but I can't imagine what he would've posted that was so bad as to get himself banned...wow. Just doesn't seem his style. Oh well, I guess...c'est la vie.
Well, I was getting tired of the 'punctuation that doubles as an obscene reference-person' jokes (I don't remember specifically if that was what the deleted post was about, because I'd started skimming those). If Rob told Anomynous to knock it off and that didn't work...Rob has more important things to do than spend a lot of time moderating.

I mean, the forum is nice, but it's just added value for Erfworld. Ensuring it doesn't become a detraction is important, but not worth risking delaying updates. Posting on the forum doesn't grant anyone a right to insist Rob take away time from writing the comic to deal with them personally.
Chiu ChunLing wrote:
On the subject of Jed, I think that most people aren't obsessing over it, it's just that most the people not obsessed aren't bothering to say they aren't obsessing over it.

Mmm fair point. It just seems like people are making a mountain out of a molehill, taking a few sentences and immediately speculating and theorizing about how Parson could get Jed to obey his every order, or how Parson could destroy Jed if necessary.
Hehe, Jed is at least a tower, so even if people are making a mountain out of it, they're not starting from a molehill. But yeah, there were a number of suggestions that Parson could waste time casting on clouds or waste a significantly improved tower because "anyone that does what I say because I'm nice to them rather than because they are magically compelled must be an incipient traitor."

Parson doesn't mind Jed pointing out that he isn't subject to orders, nor does he mind Caesar telling him that he doesn't yet have a plan. That's Parson's real strength as a commander and a strategist, he doesn't reject ideas, evidence, or help just because it would mean admitting he wasn't the boss of everyone and always right without question.
Chiu ChunLing wrote:
Hehe, Jed is at least a tower, so even if people are making a mountain out of it, they're not starting from a molehill.

Oh snap! Well played. :P
Eeep!
Skater901 wrote:
New here, so maybe I'm missing something, but why is everybody obsessing on Jed refusing orders? He makes a valid point, he's a city, not a unit. But at the same time, he still does everything Parson tells him to do, just as long as Parson asks rather than "orders". It seems to be the word order that he objects to.

The nature of free will is kind of a central theme of the entire story, why wouldn't we be talking about it a lot?

Chiu ChunLing wrote:
P.S. It's too bad about Anomynus 167. Even if most of the posts were random junk, and sometimes garbage, some of them were pretty funny. Wait a second, I'm looking at the edited post now, and I'm certain I recall the posts around it. And yet I have no memory of anything particularly more egregious than some of the Oxford Comma Man Nemesis/Sidekick posts.

I can't remember anything particularly objectionable either. A pity he was so anomynous, else somebody could've emailed to ask. ;)
greyknight wrote:
The nature of free will is kind of a central theme of the entire story, why wouldn't we be talking about it a lot?

Free will vs fate, or free will in general? It seems to me that a lot of the free will theme in the story is about how there can be free will if there's also fate. Free will amongst the units only seems to be something that affects Parson because it's just so weird to him.

Discussing the potential ramifications of Jed appearing to have free will and refusing orders is certainly interesting, but people jumping straight to "OMG Jed refused an order he's going to turn hostile and Parson will have to destroy him!!1111!!!one" is just insane. [sarcasm]What, at the slightest sign of resistance against the Chosen One, they must be destroyed? That's definitely not tyranny.[/sarcasm]
Skater901 wrote:
jumping straight to "OMG Jed refused an order he's going to turn hostile and Parson will have to destroy him!!1111!!!one" is just insane.

I brought up that as a possible plot course because it's a thing authors like to do, not because I like it. I think it's silly. That doesn't mean it won't happen in the story, though.
Well, it does tend to suggest that it wouldn't be Parson who'd do it, though. Parson is the "respect for autonomy" character in Erfworld. If someone is going to get leery of Jed not taking orders from the CWL and raze the tower or whole city to get rid of him, it's going to be someone else.

Which is why I'm inclined to see Jed as having a vested interest in not letting anyone take Spacerock from GK.

I mean, sure, he's a tower, and so what he 'wants' is to stand and defend the city. But he's also a gregarious if not particularly loquacious fellow, he apparently likes being able to talk even if losing that ability wouldn't fundamentally injure him in any really permanent sense (and I don't see how it would). I think he enjoys talking to certain people (when he feels like it), and while I don't believe the silent treatment was deliberate, I don't buy that Jed didn't enjoy that at all (I know I thought it was hilarious). Jed likes that people would miss him if he weren't talking to them.

He'd lose that if he really betrayed Stanley outright.