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Book 3 - Page 246
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I just need to say that I'm in awe at your number of badges. :)
Lol.

I'm glad this thread is near its end otherwise I wouldn't be barging in like this.
Sigh.

I come here to escape politics.
I do hope Wanda gets a 'let my people go' moment. And not just because of the frogs.

Windscion wrote:
Yeah, I just realized how being a 'scab' -- a non-extortionist -- reflects well on Sizemore.

For all his faults, there is no denying Sizemore's generosity, which is to his credit. And to Wanda's, for allowing him the freedom to do so. Stanley too, to a lesser extent (I doubt he pays that much attention).

Lipkin wrote:
Do we know if Jed can contact Maggie? Or does he have to wait until Mmaggie makes contact? Because Wanda getting free is something Parson would probably want to know.

I believe she has to be touching the doll (until she recovers her juice of course). But there are other ways they may discover this. If Wanda were reappointed Chief Caster for example, they may know automatically, or deduce it from increased bonuses if she provided any without the pliers in hand.

Mecharic wrote:
She didn't lose the bubble, it failed. Fate is powerful, but even Fate isn't unstoppable. There were so many casters targeting Wanda that Fate couldn't protect her from their attacks. That is why the bubble "failed". It likely restored the moment Wanda was no longer the center of attention (considering she survived the battle when others like Marie did not).

It should be remembered that Wanda has been incapacitated at least once in every book and was captured by Haffaton. And also, that the linked casters had been stealing numbers from the fated units to give to the fateless. The 'failing bubble' thing was blown completely out of proportion. With that said...

Erlkoenig wrote:
On the other hand, I found the escape quite plausible under the circumstances. Keep in mind that most of the time in Erfworld, a group trying to act together will be a group of ordinary infantry under the (direct or indirect) leadership of a warlord. They essentially pop with military discipline already build in, always know and follow their orders when they have them, and behave in a predictable fashion when they don't.

The Dirtamancers here are nothing like an ordinary stack in that sense. Every single one of them is a warlord, none of them is capable of issuing "orders" in the Erfworld sense to the others, and it's likely that none of them have recent experience on the battlefield, working as part of a larger organization. Reacting chaotically, especially when things are happening fast, especially when those things are unusual and not easily made sense of, is only realistic. Imagine a small group of civilians with guns in the real world faced with similarly weird and outside their experience. How many do you think would act rationally at all? How many do you think work together with any sort of coherence?

If the first touch had been something they could easily understand--a stack of enemies showing up on the stairs, or Ivan straight away trying to burrow under the prisoner--they probably would have all done mostly the obvious thing, and only got in each other's way a little bit. But this was neither an obvious attack nor a straightforward snatch-the-prisoner-and-run rescue attempt, so it wouldn't be at all clear what the best way to respond was.

Keep in mind, Ivan and Claud didn't need it to play out exactly like it did. They just needed to a) cause enough confusion to briefly keep the Dirtamancers from focusing on the right things and croaking themselves or Wanda and b) get a precise fix on Wanda's location. If anything, it rather unlucky for them that one of the Dirtamancers had the presence of mind and resolution to jump from seeing a weird hopping doll to taking upon himself to croak the prisoner: that's not a decision most people are going to make and act on in a couple seconds, not without a clear imperative to do so.

I agree with this, also. With the possible exception of the pink one (who is Wanda's friend, or a possessor of the cretin special) any one one of those dirtamancers would have been more of a problem alone than they were as a group, because they fought as a mob. They had several plans that could have worked if used exclusively that were hopeless when combined, while getting into each others lines of fire really didn't help. And Ivan knew them very well, the chaos was entirely predictable.

And even without pinkies help, once Wanda was free, well... "If Jillian could manage to stack up with any regular unit from her side, then she would be considered “rescued” and would be a Faq field unit once more. She would even pop new equipment, at the expense of the treasury, of course."

So yeah, even without juice, she'd be armed (her old Goodmintion gear came with a staff, while the signamancy of her Vader garb screams 'light sword'(perfect for scaring archons in the dark tunnels)) and dangerous (being that rare thing, a battle hardened caster) with her enemies within easy reach. Between that and the aforementioned crossfire situation, the dirtamancers are lucky to be alive.
I'm not a libertarian. I'm just a guy who doesn't like people saying that I should be murdered in my home by armed thugs.
Arkaim wrote:
Lol.
I'm glad this thread is near its end otherwise I wouldn't be barging in like this.


Barging in, are you kidding? You're a Ruler of Erfworld! Based on the discussion in this thread, I'm pretty sure that means you can legitimately start charging us taxes. ;)
Arkaim wrote:
Lol.

I'm glad this thread is near its end otherwise I wouldn't be barging in like this.


Damn fools arguing that Balder shouldn't be forced to act as an unpaid tax collector/administrator for the gub'ment!
Whispri wrote:
I do hope Wanda gets a 'let my people go' moment. And not just because of the frogs.


Boo.

What would the 10 plagues look like in Erfworld?
JadedDragoon wrote:
Stanley can issue orders that include enough context to make sure they aren't misunderstood over unlimited distance without using juice.

Technical quibble: issuing orders does use juice, proportional to the complexity of the order, just such a small amount that it's usually negligible. This was a plot point when Maggie had just enough juice to send a single-syllable order to a single unit, and told Jed to "call."
Mecharic wrote:
OneHugeTuck wrote:

B. Yes, lots of people willingly pay for:
- decades of infrastructure building & upgrading to make travel safer & faster.
- toppling trade monopolies to keep prices fair.
- supporting science & education to keep people smart (in theory).
- regulating industries to protect the common worker.
- subsidizing renewable energy & other new technologies that need a boost during development.
- all the activities that have the US be $19.8 trillion in debt.


Fixed it for you. The US government does a LOT wrong, but in the end it does a lot of good too. If you're going to hate on the US, at least accept that the government doesn't exclusively bomb people or train militias in attempts to set up US-friendly governments. The US Federal Government spends over 1 Trillion each year on Medicaid (to ensure people have some level of health services), followed by nearly 1 trillion on Social Security (to support the elderly who have worked their lives for it) and then about half a trillion on Military/Defense (which is itself a lot more than 'bomb the middle east and destabilize enemies'). Then theres the Income Protection, Interest on Existing Debt, and Pensions which collectively equally about 650 billion a year. And those are just the top 6 spendings of the US.

(source for budget: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)

Sorry, I get very upset when people go around accusing the government of being evil and evil and evil. Don't cherry pick your data.

On the subject of cherry picking, how about developed countries other than the U.S.? Canada and the EU seem to have fewer violent misadventures, along with more and better public healthcare, which might conceivably inspire a sense of gratitude.
ShaneTheBrain wrote:
For all we know, when your fate "shield" drops, if you can stay in cover and not take any more fate damage for a few seconds, your bubble will recharge to full health!

That's pretty much my theory, though I'd phrase it as "not take any more luckamancy damage." Rather than a specific time limit, it's about waiting for luckamancy repayments (meaning random bad news for your allies), and the limit of how much your shield can take isn't a specific number, but rather the point where your continued safety stops being more conducive to various prophecies than the alternative. Fate couldn't afford to have Wanda captured or incapacitated by :charlie: because his influence correlates so strongly with it's plans going wrong. Free casters, on the other hand... that anarchic hodgepodge presents a much larger attack surface, and even without any specific implausible interference, they hold prisoners and wait for a consensus instead of acting decisively. If you've got an important job to do, fate will bend over backward to keep you alive, but it won't work quite so hard to keep you from being temporarily inconvenienced.

Imagine the fun Parson will have when he figures out how that works, the way Forecastle did with the double eagle. Start with probabilistic lightning rods, easy-to-repeat events that have enough just enough of a random factor and enough at stake to clear out bad luckamancy without too much strategic impact, and then... well, I dunno, but it'll be interesting.
keybounce wrote:
Whispri wrote:
I do hope Wanda gets a 'let my people go' moment. And not just because of the frogs.

Boo.

What would the 10 plagues look like in Erfworld?

Most of them would work as advertised(although the diminished reliance on farms would make some of them less of a problem). The slaughter of the first born however, would need to be seriously reworked. Octimation instead?