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JadedDragoon wrote:
Regarding having Wanda decrypt Bunny... this is the worst case scenario.

Those decrypted by Wanda do not retain their love interests from before. Neither Jack nor Ansom are still in love with Jillian and both say the moment that changed for them was when they were decrypted. They love Wanda now. That love seems platonic... but still. It seems all decrypted love Wanda and only Wanda. I suspect this is a facet of Wanda's personality manifesting through the pliers. An unspoken but desperate need in Wanda, perhaps.

If Bunny is decrypted her love for Ceaser will not come back with her... and Ceaser will find himself in love with a woman who can't love him back. This would be utter torment for Ceasar. As much as Caesar might say he wants her back what he would actually get back, in at least this one way, won't be Bunny. If he is in enough pain as a result he might feel betrayed or manipulated by his new allies.


See I thought of that as well, but what does Caesar care about more, himself or Bunny? I think he would be able to make that sacrifice so that Bunny could live. He's good people like that.
Thecommander236 wrote:
JadedDragoon wrote:
Regarding having Wanda decrypt Bunny... this is the worst case scenario.

Those decrypted by Wanda do not retain their love interests from before. Neither Jack nor Ansom are still in love with Jillian and both say the moment that changed for them was when they were decrypted. They love Wanda now. That love seems platonic... but still. It seems all decrypted love Wanda and only Wanda. I suspect this is a facet of Wanda's personality manifesting through the pliers. An unspoken but desperate need in Wanda, perhaps.

If Bunny is decrypted her love for Ceaser will not come back with her... and Ceaser will find himself in love with a woman who can't love him back. This would be utter torment for Ceasar. As much as Caesar might say he wants her back what he would actually get back, in at least this one way, won't be Bunny. If he is in enough pain as a result he might feel betrayed or manipulated by his new allies.


See I thought of that as well, but what does Caesar care about more, himself or Bunny? I think he would be able to make that sacrifice so that Bunny could live. He's good people like that.


Yeah, but Ossomer was able to turn back. In a way, once the connection to the pliers is broken by the strength of personality, the person gets back to the way they were before. Bunny gets decrypted, they send her back to TV and turn her to that side. That's retconjured Bunny back in her place.

Now, as for string breaking... That's the only thing that could pose a problem, even if Wanda had the pliers with her and was free.
A great wrong was righted this day. May Bunny rest in peace.
Krennson wrote:
Here's an interesting theory: Parson figures out that Charles is his enemy because Parson is fated to kill Charlie, and Charlie wants to live forever. So Parson offers a deal: Charlie subverts his own fate by allowing Parson to Kill him... and in return, Parson arranges for Charlie to be resurrected with the Arkenpliers, and returned to independent command of Charlescom, as part of a future limited alliance against the Great Minds...

Hmm, what a wonderful thought.
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Also: While fate seems to persist for a unit if that unit dies and is decrypted before the fate is fulfilled, Charlie dying and then coming back both fulfills that fate AND brings the war to the GM's.

... which would really be a way to break ErfWorld :-).

mbellish wrote:
Sinistro wrote:
Godzfirefly wrote:

(Alternately, is it possible that hand-clap is necessary to perform a disbandment?

...every disbandment or attempt thereof we've seen always being "You are hereby disbanded *clap*".
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b) The ritual is always required and is a safeguard to protect rulers from frivolously/accidentally taking an irreversible action they might regret (like a confirmation dialog box) ...


Heh, I love the idea of a confirmation box. Sorta like the Claim mechanic we've seen happen. It's only visible to the ruler, and they have to clap their hands to select confirm!


So, instead of clapping to bring a fairy back to life, ...
M1rth wrote:
FrankHarr wrote:
WurmD wrote:
Huh.. I wonder what keeps the Great Minds from cutting Charlie's String.



Once that happens, everyone will know they can do that. That may not be something they're willing to have known.


How? Charlescomm would drop off the planet. Any Archons in the field would disband, his capitol site would be claimable and that's that. It would be the same as Unaroyal when Bea stepped into the portal.

All anyone would know is that Charlie was gone, not who Croaked him, or how.



They'd work it out from the evidence. What evidence, I have no idea. The Great Minds aren't the only smart people in the world.
Anomynous 167 wrote:
FrankHarr wrote:
O.K., I'm going to try this again.

I feel sorry for Don and Bunny. I liked them. And I don't like needless death (in in-story terms, in terms OF the story, their death may be much-needed and certainly flow from the kinds of people they are).

But Don, Caesar and Parson are all playing games. Subtle games of inuendo and influence. Dangerous games with high stakes, but games none the less. Bunny wasn't playing their games. She had her own stakes.

Come on, Bunny was playing games just as much as the next one. If she wasn't playing games then you think she wouldn't of told Caesar about Jillian attacking Gobwin Knob? She made a martyr of her self, just to keep the chief warlord convinced of killing Charlie.


I don't disagree. But she's trapped. She can't go against her boss. She thinks that Charlie needs to be defeated. She's deeply in love. She may be playing a game, but she's also a piece and has few moves.

I suppose my point was that she was playing her own game. I'm not sure its the one you think it is.

And by the way, I don't mean "game" in the sense that it's trivial to the participants (except maybe Don who's made some foolish choices) but rather they have rules that they must follow.
Well. For one, I expected Don to be something awesome, he was one of my favorite characters, but I noticed the shifts of Rob Balder's mood towards Don as no longer the cool guy when he stopped veiling him in mystery, around the time Wanda was put on trial and Arkenpliers got lost.

With Arkenpliers out of action, Rob has established a killzone. During this time, everyone who dies, cannot be decrypted, dies for real.

I was hoping that Don had accomplished some feat that got him respected or had some secret power to compensate for being a heavy unit. I was hoping he had some special vampire power that gave him an ace up a sleeve, that helped Transylvito survive for all these thousands of turns.

Something still feels off about this, but.... Maybe there is a trick of some kind here, but doubt it, since the livery changed on Caesar, and he is legit, the new TV ruler.

Once Rob revealed Don is only a level 1 warlord, I knew it was over, so really, the big scary Don was just a façade for an utter noob. I have to say, it's disappointing. I thought there was more to Don.

Caesar is a lvl 9 or something warlord, a better fit anyway. He had the balls to go toe to toe with Stanley.

Also, to everyone hoping to predict Rob's pattern:

So far, every ruler and warlord who bought into Scripture - died. Anti religion attitudes in narration?

Ansom - croaked, Slately - croaked, Don - croaked. Tramennis doubted Scripture, and survived.

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As long as Stanley the Plaid makes it, I will keep reading. Great character.
Also, Stanley seemed like a hard ass boss in Book 1, but now looking at Don, I think Stanley is not that bad of a guy. Don was about to disband his chief warlord. Stanley threatened it after Parson's and Wanda's plan failed - but did not disband them, just left the city.

"Don't know if you betrayed or just failed me. No point in disbanding you. Your upkeep will be paid until the city falls. I don't want to see you again." - That's Stanley for you. Removing himself from the problem instead of removing problems from himself.
mbellish wrote:


Heh, I love the idea of a confirmation box. Sorta like the Claim mechanic we've seen happen. It's only visible to the ruler, and they have to clap their hands to select confirm!


Interesting, but I'm not sure. Didn't Stanley try to disband Parson with no obvious tell? I think it's mostly a cultural thing, something Stanley doesn't see the point in but most rulers would respect.
KonradKnox wrote:
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Also, to everyone hoping to predict Rob's pattern:

So far, every ruler and warlord who bought into Scripture - died. Anti religion attitudes in narration?

Ansom - croaked, Slately - croaked, Don - croaked. Tramennis doubted Scripture, and survived.

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As long as Stanley the Plaid makes it, I will keep reading. Great character.
Also, Stanley seemed like a hard ass boss in Book 1, but now looking at Don, I think Stanley is not that bad of a guy. Don was about to disband his chief warlord. Stanley threatened it after Parson's and Wanda's plan failed - but did not disband them, just left the city.

"Don't know if you betrayed or just failed me. No point in disbanding you. Your upkeep will be paid until the city falls. I don't want to see you again." - That's Stanley for you. Removing himself from the problem instead of removing problems from himself.

Ansom is an interesting case: he's still a zealot, he just has a different set of religious beliefs now. Died for one religion, then converted to another, if you will. It's entirely possible that his zealotry gets him killed a second time (it nearly has already), but it remains to be seen. Otherwise, interesting theory, I suppose we'll see how things play out from here.

As for Stanley, I completely agree. He's become a much more interesting character to me than I ever would've expected him to in book one. Back then, he just seemed like a jerkass idiot who loved to take all the credit for people's work, and I fully expected him to be the primary obstacle that Parson dealt with on the regular. Now that he's settled down and had some character development, I've come to enjoy his bits a lot. The perspective is really interesting: a guy who was clearly unprepared for the throne unexpectedly ascended and now he just kinda does the best he can, and he's finally really putting his faith in Parson to boot. I like it a lot.
Crisco wrote:
Ansom is an interesting case: he's still a zealot, he just has a different set of religious beliefs now. Died for one religion, then converted to another, if you will. It's entirely possible that his zealotry gets him killed a second time (it nearly has already), but it remains to be seen. Otherwise, interesting theory, I suppose we'll see how things play out from here.


Things have changed again. He's now actively aware that his zealotry has changed, and is trying to figure out the significance of that. He's become introspective about it. He's doubting whether he ever was zealous, and it could be that his take on that changes again after another critical moment.