Book 3 - Page 203

Magic on the Rocks/Rock Bottom

Book 3 - Page 203
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Darael wrote:
Kaed wrote:

Sure, okay. The latest generation of grown-ups in or in the progress of leaving full time education (AKA 'millennials') has a much higher rate of aversion to pursuing the language arts than the previous ones. While this is of course not a universal constant, people in schools have been seen to have to be reminded and pushed to not do things like write their reports in text speak, there is a movement to coddle many students and reward them for trying their best rather than actually accomplishing a goal. Attention spans have lowered significantly with the increased availability of visual media and instant gratification, and correspondingly, average reading levels by age have decreased.

As someone who grew up reading and enjoying novels that didn't even have nice pictures like this in between short swaths of text, -I- found the idea that someone would find 'walls of text' (aka, basic reading) daunting to be vexing. I could have perhaps worded it ins a less snotty way, yes. But my point still stands that I am baffled by your statement.


Oh, my. What a load of acidic battlecrap. Let's go through it point-by-point, shall we?

"[millennials have] a much higher rate of aversion to pursuing the language arts than the previous ones" - data? How would one even measure this? Opinion surveys? Even if this statement is true, it doesn't follow that most of an entire generation dislikes reading; an alternative explanation might be that pursuing careers and hobbies in such fields is discouraged by external economic and social factors to such an extent that while the proportion of people with the inclination remains the same, that with the willingness to pursue it seriously is reduced.

"people in schools have been seen to have to be reminded and pushed to not do things like write their reports in text speak" - casual shorthand, known mostly these days as "txt tlk" or "textspeak", was popular in the handwritten letters of the Victorian era, too. It's not a modern phenomenon, and besides, language changes. "Correct" spelling is not what it was in the time of Shakespeare, let alone that of Chaucer. Abbreviations catch on, the euphemism treadmill turns, and the English language evolves. That it might become unrecognisable to those who learned an earlier iteration doesn't make it any less expressive or useful for communication, and it is that which is the only truly viable measure of linguistic utility. Quite apart from which there isn't any evidence that this is any more common a problem in schools, accounting for changes in the language-mutation du jour and the curricula involved, than it has been at any time over the last century.

"there is a movement to coddle many students and reward them for trying their best rather than actually accomplishing a goal" - au contraire, what I see in education is a tendency to encourage proportional improvement on some allegedly-absolute scale of attainment. Now, that has the major problem that students who start off outside the range the grade-scale is meant to measure are treated as not having done anything worthwhile, because those too far off the bottom can progress a long way without raising their grade and those pushing the upper bound have nowhere to go within the scale being used to measure their improvement, but both of those are precisely not examples of rewarding effort over accomplishment: instead, they represent ignoring effort entirely and some notable categories of accomplishment in favour of pushing everyone to the population-wide statistical mean.

"Attention spans have lowered significantly with the increased availability of visual media and instant gratification" - I've looked into this one before, and I've never found a single study to support that claim. Closest thing I've ever come across was average times spent on a web page, which is not at all the same thing.

"and correspondingly, average reading levels by age have decreased." - that one, I confess I haven't looked up. Given the other things I'm answering here I'm inclined to suspect the source is ol' PIDOOMA, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Well, no, I wouldn't, because that would imply sad things about modern education, but as far as having my assumption challenged goes, I'd be happy.

"As someone who grew up reading and enjoying novels that didn't even have nice pictures like this in between short swaths of text, -I- found the idea that someone would find 'walls of text' (aka, basic reading) daunting to be vexing." - Sure, there's nothing wrong with pure prose. It serves a different purpose. But the phrasing here sounds an awful lot like what's been happening for centuries: people claim, with little foundation, that because the generations that follow their own aren't doing all the same things in all the same ways that their own generation did, this is a sign of some grand degradation in society. It wasn't true when Xenophon of Athens (in his Constitution of the Lacedaimonians - written about two and a half thousand years ago, by the way, to give some idea of the historical persistence of this whole semeiotic system) claimed that people having warm baths, wearing more than one garment at once (an overcoat over their chiton), giving people shoes, and not starving their children were making the children lazy, either.

(note on reason for repeated edits: narrowing and updating that Xenophon reference)

You probably had some good points, but without pictures to help illustrate what you were saying, I couldn't bring myself to read your post.
Carl wrote:
Pardon me maybe i'm dense and missed somthing but do we have any word on the cause of the missed update this monday?

Also lol at a few people above me.


Plenty of lol. I do love the smell of twisted panties in the morning.

As has been said, tuesday is the new monday.

So basically, all the 'where's the update' queries will now happen on tuesdays.

It has yet to be seen whether the same scramble to get the comic done and posted and lack of buffer will change at all with rolling the release date back a day.
OneHugeTuck wrote:

It has yet to be seen whether the same scramble to get the comic done and posted and lack of buffer will change at all with rolling the release date back a day.


Given that pushing the update back a day doesn't bend spacetime to allow for more working hours (to the best of my knowledge)... my guess is no.
Count_to_10 wrote:
There may be something to that. That doesn't quite seem right, but what if what Carnies do is change the context in which rules are interpreted, or the assumptions of "whatever" interprets the rules? "Trust me, this shirt is is totally impervious to arrows.", "No, no, it isn't enough that she dies in a fire, it has to be a fire she set.", and "Sure, this is bedrock, but not bedrock bedrock. It doesn't really count."


That was definitely along the lines of what I'm thinking. We don't know for sure (As far as I know) what the three Axes are, but we do know that they exist in some way. It could very reasonably be as you said, that Carnies aren't changing things but changing the interpretations of things.

I've also been poking 'round the wiki and re-learned that Carnymancy is the Fate-aligned Discipline of Stagemancy. Stagemancy is the Magic Class dealing with all three Magic Elements, Life, Motion, and Matter. Maybe that gives it a higher level of versatility than other disciplines. I mean, it's companion Disciplines are Rhyme and Hat magic, which also seem to be extremely versatile. It makes the smattering of Carny powers we've seen across multiple subjects even more reasonable to me.
greycat wrote:
Xellos wrote:

On the other hand, I find "Assault and Battery" a non-sequitur like "two bears walked in a forest, one was brown and the other went right". What does a portable electric storage have to do with assault?


Battery in this context comes from the verb "to batter".

What does covering with dough have to do with assault? I mean, I understand that if someone did that to me in the street I might consider it a form of assault, but it just seems so oddly specific.
Anomynous 167 wrote:
greycat wrote:
Xellos wrote:

On the other hand, I find "Assault and Battery" a non-sequitur like "two bears walked in a forest, one was brown and the other went right". What does a portable electric storage have to do with assault?


Battery in this context comes from the verb "to batter".

What does covering with dough have to do with assault? I mean, I understand that if someone did that to me in the street I might consider it a form of assault, but it just seems so oddly specific.

You have to add salt to the batter to open up the flavor.
bug wrote:
Xellos wrote:
Skull the Troll wrote:
Its like Assault and Battery. Assault is simply the attempt to injure someone. If I throw a punch and miss, its still assault. Battery is the actually act of injury.


On the other hand, I find "Assault and Battery" a non-sequitur like "two bears walked in a forest, one was brown and the other went right". What does a portable electric storage have to do with assault?


Tasers.


Xellos wrote:
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totalnerduk wrote:
The Erfquivalent is probably a scroll that summons a wild Pikachu.


The Erfworld preferred alternative is sending a stack of pikers.


Or summoning a long line of them, with each getting one stab at you before moving on. The damage you would take from this piker-queue would probably qualify as shockamancy if you were surprised enough to be confronted with them.
I, for one, enjoy the text updates. They feel like they've got more meat on them bones.
They even come with pretty pictures!
Like a dashing Lord Hamster in full harness.
Who is the woman in the blue glittery jumpsuit with the short blonde hair? It looks familiar but I don't get the reference.
Thecommander236 wrote:
Who is the woman in the blue glittery jumpsuit with the short blonde hair? It looks familiar but I don't get the reference.

If you mean the dinosaur onesie PJs, the best guess I saw was Pink. The general style seems to match, but culturally I'm not sure why she's with the dirtamancers.