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Infidel wrote:
Lheticus wrote:
The million shmucker question: Do the images at the bottom of today's page mean they actually went and did it?


No, it's showing is thoughts.

I'd er on the side that it means Parson did actually go and make a buttler out of himself.

The picture shows Parson and co holding guns, right after we went through an internal monologue on how he is going to aquire them.
After asking Maggy about the torture, he went and put his assassination plan in motion by having AceMore throw guns and ammo through the portal, and I'm not talking about magazines.

Mnemnosyne wrote:

Further comments of my own:
I'm liking the suggestions of using the opportunity to improve their bargaining position rather than decapitate TV. It may well be the only way to get the bracer back, and the bracer is pretty valuable. Alter the deal to their return, plus the bracer, but TV gets to request any calculations they want as long as they remain allied (add any other necessary terms and conditions, maybe run the deal by Janis if possible since it could use a Signamancer's look-over).

If by "negotiate from a position of strength" you mean croak their leadership, then start talking. Then sure.
totalnerduk wrote:
Beeskee wrote:
"magical flying asshole"


As much as I love that phrase, you probably shouldn't say it too often, or somebody is going to start imagining it as a TV unit type. Which could lead to fanart. Not the good kind.

You know, it has just occoured to me that the word "fanart" begins with an F and ends with "a-r-t"
Beeskee wrote:
BanzaiJoe wrote:
Anyone know how many turns to the heir pops? Vanna was doing her thing and I thought it was 10 and then some have gone by but how many?


This update says "6 a turn. We got 18" so I'm guessing 3 turns have elapsed since GK started making Guns & Ammo :D

Well blast it. You beet me to making a Guns & Ammo joke
ftl wrote:
Another reason why Parson's plan seems misguided is because he's not really in a desperate situation right now.

Blowing up the volcano was a desperate move for desperate times. So was the clusterboop in Jetstone, without some brilliance they were going to lose Wanda, Jack, and everything.

Here, the situation seems to be slowly on the mend. They're still prisoners, but the situation seems stable and they may be a turn or two away from an alliance. Why risk it all?

Blowing up the volcano was not a desperate move for desperate times, it was an act of spite. Every single Gobwin Knob unit that survived the volcano would still be alive even if Parson hadn't uncroaked the volcano. Parson would be serving under Charlie; while Maggie, Sizemore and Wanda would have escaped into the Magic Kingdom.
DrunkMonkGar wrote:
artificeintel wrote:
I don't know about Wanda as Necrons. I would put Stanley more as a Khornate cultist/demon (given power level) or an Ork. I'm not sure how well those fit with his appreciation for other pursuits, but he doesn't seem to have the Dark Eldar's sadism (nor do the Juggles from what I can tell). Stanley being an Ork would also fit with More Dakka.

Orkz iz made 4 rokkin, so that would fit Stanley very well. Jillian is a textbook Worldeater. (Perpetually, pathologically angry; constantly wants to kill; frequently tries to frag allies; incapable of refusing a charge, even when it's an obvious trap....)


Which is ironic since I think the best fit for Banhammer would be some kind of Tau. Probably not Etherial, since he wasn't able to actually persuade anyone he didn't already control. Maybe water class. I don't think we have chaos Tau yet, do we?

ManaCaster wrote:
artificeintel wrote:

I don't know about Wanda as Necrons.

Nurgle?

It would certainly fit with her interest in death and zombies and her fatalistic desire to take the "easy" path. It'd work even better if she linked with a florist and started trying to make diseases : wanda's plague anyone?
artificeintel wrote:

...except that any attempt to improve the galaxy risks being merely one of Tzeentch's many plans and the desire to improve things increases his strength. :P

Sort of, but no. Chaos doesn't have infinite power over the material universe. A god's power is mostly going to work through psykers and people going out of their way to practice sorcery or otherwise doing stupid shit like letting daemons possess things. For the most, part, this isn't a problem until the one psyker in a thousand loses his mind.

That and pretty weak emotions from weak souls don't really do much for a god. Eldar have strong souls, so their emotions matter more in the sum of things. Hence, Slaanesh. Tau? Not so much, despite being crazy optimistic and being all about technological progress.

Tzeentch mostly frustrates ambition to keep stringing people along to cultivate a lust for more. Actually fulfilling ambition would be pretty detrimental to his cause. The Emperor actually fulfilling his ambitions would pretty much fuck all of Chaos. And well, Eldar gods have a habit of dying in lore. It can happen to the Chaos gods too, it's just pretty unlikely.
(A god of ordered and beneficent progress just getting powerful enough to shank Tzeentch in the face. As it is, the Emperor and Cegorach are just about the only real contenders out there anymore.)

Most people don't have a complete picture of Chaos, what with it being the Dark Ages of the Grimdark Future and it's not like Tzeentch has any incentive to tell his followers the truth.
artificeintel wrote:
DrunkMonkGar wrote:
artificeintel wrote:
I don't know about Wanda as Necrons. I would put Stanley more as a Khornate cultist/demon (given power level) or an Ork. I'm not sure how well those fit with his appreciation for other pursuits, but he doesn't seem to have the Dark Eldar's sadism (nor do the Juggles from what I can tell). Stanley being an Ork would also fit with More Dakka.

Orkz iz made 4 rokkin, so that would fit Stanley very well. Jillian is a textbook Worldeater. (Perpetually, pathologically angry; constantly wants to kill; frequently tries to frag allies; incapable of refusing a charge, even when it's an obvious trap....)


Which is ironic since I think the best fit for Banhammer would be some kind of Tau. Probably not Etherial, since he wasn't able to actually persuade anyone he didn't already control. Maybe water class. I don't think we have chaos Tau yet, do we?



I admit my Warhammer 40k knowledge is somewhat sketchy, but I seem to remember that the Tau don't have any connection to the warp, which is why they don't have any psykers. So they can't be directly influenced by Chaos, which makes Chaos Tau an impossibility. But I might be wrong there, as I'm really not an expert on that setting.
artificeintel wrote:
Which is ironic since I think the best fit for Banhammer would be some kind of Tau. Probably not Etherial, since he wasn't able to actually persuade anyone he didn't already control. Maybe water class.

Nah, I think Etherial works. I don't believe their pheromones have any effect on non-Tau so that would be about right. The Water caste have actually accomplished things.
artificeintel wrote:
I don't think we have chaos Tau yet, do we?

Farsight, maybe, if his daemon sword can actually interact with him in any way beyond the obvious of being a magic sword.
Anomynous 167 wrote:

Blowing up the volcano was not a desperate move for desperate times, it was an act of spite. Every single Gobwin Knob unit that survived the volcano would still be alive even if Parson hadn't uncroaked the volcano. Parson would be serving under Charlie; while Maggie, Sizemore and Wanda would have escaped into the Magic Kingdom.


Not Stanley, nor the Side. Gobwin Knob the side would have fallen, Stanley would be captured and croaked by the RCC. That's the difference between winning and escape.
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Every single Gobwin Knob unit that survived the volcano would still be alive even if Parson hadn't uncroaked the volcano. Parson would be serving under Charlie;

Ansom was the only one contractually obligated to capture Parson, and he croaked, so no, Parson would have been put to the sword. Unless of course they tried to make him disband himself with the portal instead because "the judgment of the Titans is too good for you!" or sth, then he would have lived. Maggie, Wanda, and Sizemore would all be captured because Parson was physically incapable of ordering them to retreat because of the summoning spell's compulsion.
Morgaln wrote:

I admit my Warhammer 40k knowledge is somewhat sketchy, but I seem to remember that the Tau don't have any connection to the warp, which is why they don't have any psykers. So they can't be directly influenced by Chaos, which makes Chaos Tau an impossibility. But I might be wrong there, as I'm really not an expert on that setting.


They just have weak souls.
Mind you, "strength of your soul = power to warp reality with your emotions."
Exceptionally powerful souls are psykers.
In 40k, having a soul seems to actually have very little to do with whether your personality will live eternally or whether you have actual recognizable emotions.
(You can be a null or a Tau and have recognizable emotions. And most everybody with a soul either dissolves or gets eaten by daemons. Or gets soul-bound to the Emperor. Or protected inside Wraithbone in the case of the Eldar.)

Humans are easier just because you can whisper to the occasional psyker and use him to subvert the Imperium ideologically or otherwise using his powers to weaken the barrier between the Immaterium and the physical universe.

Either Tau or overlooked or their powers are so pathetically puny that they can't really achieve any worthwhile physical corruption. And you can't really tell their nonexistent psykers to subvert the Greater Good ideologically or set about wresting control from the Ethereals.

Basically, I ascribe to a "pawn" theory. Chaos has no pawns to use with the Tau. You might corrupt one, but there is so little power in the average Tau that a corrupt Tau would differ very little from the middle of the bell curve.
Darkstar7613 wrote:
The unifying drive behind all of Erfworld at the moment should be keeping Charlie from being "the one". Secondary should probably be (from a pragmatic point of view) keeping Stanley from being "the one"... as he's not exactly the most stable see-saw on the playground.


Zathras wrote:
Not the one. You are not the one.
2 Million to buy back Parson and company is a very good price. They are worth more than 2 million.

2 Million to buy back Parson and company, if that's all they get, is expensive. If Parson can free everyone for no cost, that's 2 million better.

But: 2 Million to buy an ally, and give that ally enough firepower to defend them from Charlie, so that Charlie now has to focus attention in two places instead of 1? That's worth a lot more than 2 million.