Book 3 - Page 181

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Book 3 - Page 181
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Most of those "chants" are "magic words" that are related to stupidworld and not actual rhymeomancy. When Sizemore was extinguishing the inferno, he was naming various fire extinguishing components. The words used depend on what the spell does; the mass heal scroll used major health providers, but healing a single unit would likely just name various medical procedures or medicines. Casters can attempt rhymeomancy when casting spells to give themselves a random boost, but if done poorly the boost will be negative.
nth wrote:
decius wrote:
A great possibility would be a treaty in which GK units wear TV livery and take hits from CC attackers.


All. The. Bats.

And, if I understand the contract correctly, CC seems to be bound to pay penalties for GK units destroyed by FAQ.

Best case scenario, Jillian starts destroying GK bats, GK profits from CC's treasury, GK transfers shmuckers to TV, and TV uses the shmuckers to buy replacement bats, in an infinite loop that quickly bankrupts CC.

This has me picturing Archons as Colonial Marines and doombats as xenomorphs. "The walls! They're coming out of the disbanded walls!" Not showing up on infrared being equivalent to the bats not being veiled, which they'd normally be able to detect, but newly-popped... maybe a Ben/Maggie/Vanna linkup, combining turnamancy and moneymancy, using shmuckers to accelerate the city's production beyond normal limits? Jillian would be Ripley, of course, and Albert would make an excellent Gorman, which could then leave crippled post-linkup Vanna as Newt, babbling something barely coherent about mostly expecting an attack at night.
I have this horrible sense Rubicon will end up causing some kind of feedback to Maggie through her doll. Her death leading to Parsons rage and effectively razing Transylvito and/or Faq.
Count_to_10 wrote:

Pete wrote:
Wanda used Hat Magic to make a frosty snow golem.
https://wiki.erfworld.com/IPTSF_Text_19

But wasn't that using a pre-existing magic hat?

No, I don't think so. Using a pre-existing magic hat wouldn't count as an attempt at hat magic to be proud of. You wouldn't say that Jillian is doing hat magic when she sends or receives messages.
Shai hulud wrote:
Prisoner casters can already cast canonically:
https://wiki.erfworld.com/Snacki_Saltina
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Thus captured by the notoriously slippery tactics of Imperial Margarine, she was taken prisoner and held at the capital. She refused to turn, though, and eventually escaped by means of a Thinkamancy suggestion. She fled through Margarine's portal into the Magic Kingdom, where she has since remained.


Pedantically... that doesn't actually say it was her Thinkamancy suggestion. Which might make for an interesting story, as to how she got someone else to cast it while she was a prisoner.

Alternately, she might have planned ahead in anticipation of her capture (possibly with the advice of her Predictamancer), and cast suggestion on one of the Margarine units before she was actually made prisoner. Which seems the sort of out-of-the-box thinking that might make Parson smile.

Either way, there seem to be at least two loopholes against using that as "proof" that a prisoner can cast.

(An absurd third means would be via the prohibited discipline of Retconjuration, casting the suggestion after one is no longer a prisoner and then throwing the Thinkamancy spell backward in time to when one was. Clearly, the Empress did not use this. However... Note to Parson: do not try and imprison a Retconjuring-wielding Titan; you're likely to turn out to have been turned into a giant overweight hamster when you were summoned to Erfworld, and no-one wants Erfworld to turn into a furry comic.)
kyleraymond wrote:
I have this horrible sense Rubicon will end up causing some kind of feedback to Maggie through her doll. Her death leading to Parsons rage and effectively razing Transylvito and/or Faq.

Oh god, and then enter the newly non-Baddie Bunnie as GK's new Thinkamancer...

I don't consider it likely, but there's plenty of narrative room for it. You'd miss out on the "Maggie learns and progresses in her craft" part, but GK has plenty of low-level units in important positions that we could follow instead.
DVL wrote:
greycat wrote:
Count_to_10 wrote:

Edit: Come to think of it, shouldn't every Croakamancer try to learn Shockmancy as fast as possible? Shockmancy is something every side can use for their towers, and every side's casters would probably like to have a handful of Shock scrolls on hand.


How do casters learn other disciplines, anyway? I haven't reviewed all the books lately, but I don't recall any casters learning new disciplines during the course of a story -- they're all presented as fait accompli, like Isaac being a master Lookamancer as well as a master Thinkamancer, or Janis knowing all three Hippiemancy disciplines. The only caster I can recall with any explanation for cross-discipline knowledge is Bill, who picked up Thinkamancy secrets from Bunny.

So, it seems casters only learn other disciplines by studying/working with another caster. (Still speculation, but I don't know of any counterexamples.)

I don't know if hiring a tutor from the Magic Kingdom is a thing that sides do.


I'm not terribly clear on this point either. It's implied that Wanda used Dirtamancy to make her "garden" but not whether she just used a scroll.

People like to point to her singing as learning Rhyme-o-Mancy, but that isn't really casting, as any warlord can do the same to improve morale. She's also shown using tools like the Dollamancy mannequin or the Turnamancy coffin, but again, not actually "casting." She admits that she isn't all that good at using the latter device, except in the sense that Croakamancer senses allow her to know how to inflict pain.
Same with the Suggestion -- that's a scroll.

Actually, are scrolls technically a form of Weirdomancy or whatever?


Didn't she have a line in IPTSF where she mentions studying outside of her discipline? Something related to the mannequins, I'm thinking.
kyleraymond wrote:
I have this horrible sense Rubicon will end up causing some kind of feedback to Maggie through her doll. Her death leading to Parsons rage and effectively razing Transylvito and/or Faq.


Or even crazier, Maggionette is the one that Rubicon is used on. Maggie sees how a command intimately affects a unit. Her knowledge is broadened even more.
Greylok wrote:
This might also provide a means for Parson to communicate with GK without Charlie's immediate interference (he might not get Snoopy on that particular channel).


Snoopy? That's a Charlie Brown reference that fits that I had not thought of.
Keybounce wrote:
Greylok wrote:
This might also provide a means for Parson to communicate with GK without Charlie's immediate interference (he might not get Snoopy on that particular channel).

Snoopy? That's a Charlie Brown reference that fits that I had not thought of.

Rob thought of it, though, and used it on page 150.