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Book 3 - Page 178
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The Titans do sometimes have their own strife, as we read in the Book of Shenanigans.


So is this a "top-level" Book of Scripture? According to the Wiki, we have the Book of Canon, Book of Fanon, and Book of Retcon--at least some of which contain subsections also called Books, similar to how the Book of Exodus is contained in the Old Testament. The subsection Books we know of (Fats, Fabian, Buddy, Eddie) all have names referring to Stupidworld rock-and-roll stars of the 1950s-60s (Fats Domino, Fabian Forte, Buddy Holly, and Eddie Cochran). So my guess is that Shenanigans is one of the larger Books, on a par with Fanon and Canon.
Codex wrote:
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The Titans do sometimes have their own strife, as we read in the Book of Shenanigans.


So is this a "top-level" Book of Scripture? According to the Wiki, we have the Book of Canon, Book of Fanon, and Book of Retcon--at least some of which contain subsections also called Books, similar to how the Book of Exodus is contained in the Old Testament. The subsection Books we know of (Fats, Fabian, Buddy, Eddie) all have names referring to Stupidworld rock-and-roll stars of the 1950s-60s (Fats Domino, Fabian Forte, Buddy Holly, and Eddie Cochran). So my guess is that Shenanigans is one of the larger Books, on a par with Fanon and Canon.

Possibly. At the very least it makes me annoyed at people claiming TV are suckers for buying Parson's story (which they aren't they only consider it to be possible and they're still skeptical) when they actually have in-universe evidence that suggests it could be true.
Dewey the Signamancer wrote:
Codex wrote:
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The Titans do sometimes have their own strife, as we read in the Book of Shenanigans.


So is this a "top-level" Book of Scripture? According to the Wiki, we have the Book of Canon, Book of Fanon, and Book of Retcon--at least some of which contain subsections also called Books, similar to how the Book of Exodus is contained in the Old Testament. The subsection Books we know of (Fats, Fabian, Buddy, Eddie) all have names referring to Stupidworld rock-and-roll stars of the 1950s-60s (Fats Domino, Fabian Forte, Buddy Holly, and Eddie Cochran). So my guess is that Shenanigans is one of the larger Books, on a par with Fanon and Canon.

Possibly. At the very least it makes me annoyed at people claiming TV are suckers for buying Parson's story (which they aren't they only consider it to be possible and they're still skeptical) when they actually have in-universe evidence that suggests it could be true.

TV borrows the signamancy of street toughs, with just a hint of the mafia. It suggests they're very streetwise. Fools they ain't.
Don King shared Parson's story, but I don't think he cares if it's true or not.
He just found out Charlescomm is a MAJOR threat to him... and that Jillian's just allied with him... and that she sent out a force capable of taking out Transylvito, with a mission not shared with her erstwhile allies.
Shit is going down.
They've got Parson's captured guns, which they can copy. If they can make a deal for bullets, TV would be a force to be reckoned with. GK, he can trust to be peaceful, at least until Chuck's dealt with. He cannot really trust Faq to be peaceful, under the circumstances.
zilfallon wrote:
Synar wrote:
I would say evil in Erfworld is a lot more subtle than in the real world, but once you start looking, it's everywhere.

Yeah I agree. Erfworld is one of the crappiest (as in: horrible place to live) crapsack worlds I've seen.

1984 has it beat in that regard, but not by huge amounts.

Edit: I probably should have read the trope for "crapsaccerine" before writing that.
"A Brave New World" might qualify, though. Actually, Erfworld shares a fair number of qualities with it.
joosy wrote:
So we either get a new gambit or reveal from Parson regarding the true nature of Charlie.

if it is a reveal - what other powers would a Titan have besides just the Arkendish? Was he somehow limited to just Carnymancy when he entered Erfworld?

Wasn't he prohibited from sharing anything from the meeting of the minds?
This seems to be almost certainly made up.
Particularly with what we, the readers, know of Charlie's history. If Charles started out with the arkendish, he wouldn't have needed to invest so much into "the wizard" as a proxy for dealing with people. He'd just talk with them directly with the dish.
Both Parson and Jack slipped subtle bits of misdirection into their interrogations, to leaven the loaf of truth.

For Parson to say "I think he might..." isn't so much a lie as an unverifiable suggestion.
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I would say evil in Erfworld is a lot more subtle than in the real world, but once you start looking, it's everywhere.


My own little short list of 'evil' acts committed by various players.

Charlie allowing his Archons to be sold to sides, used and abused however that ruler sees fit, with the option of disbanding/croaking the unit at end of contract.

Charlie making his Archons love him, possible by means of the 'Dish. (Unsure of how much of that is a unit liking/loving the ruler/warlord).

Charlie using the 'Dish to alter Jillian's mind without her knowledge.

Charlie using the threat of instantly ending a side to coerce Haggar to fight, directly leading to Prince Sammy croaking.

Charlie's attack on the MK without regard for Free Casters. (Of course!)

The unfortunate torture of Lilith during her return to Charlscomm. (Directly ordered by Charlie as a turning technique, or did his Archons take that upon themselves?)

The forcible turning attempt of Lilith by means of the 'Dish.

Wanda's forcible re-popping by means of the 'Pliers. (Maybe not all instances, but was some dirty business with Ossomer).

Wanda goading Stanley into ending Faq.

Wanda's holier than thou mentality towards Fate and 'her side' directly leading to the genocide of Unaroyal.

Wanda's Garden.

Olive's Garden.

The creation of the Heroine Buds.

Parson's Geothermal Warhead. (The volcano).

Parson's Bogroll assassination. (Certainly dirty... Evil?)

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I can't think of anything else GK is clearly responsible for, but I'm sure I'm missing a few events.

One last thing I'd like to point out. Right now, GK's war is situated in "The West" as in, The Great Western Conflict. Right now signs point towards maybe Parson unifying some sides of the West against Charlscomm. In LOTR, the men of Gondor, the Men of the West unite and March upon Sauron, in his single tower, deep in the mountains...

HMMMMMMMMM

The question now is, which 'sides of men' will fight against 'The Eye of Charlscomm', and which will be sucked into fighting against GK?

(PS: Just need to point out that Charlscomm wants to be auto corrected to Charlatanism. XD )
Possibly relevant historical Signamancy that Benjamin Franklin went to France to negotiate foreign aid for the American Revolution. Benjamin may indeed end up traveling to GK, and as some posters have noted here, may be in the MK when the Yellow Dwagons unleash their projectile weapons on the fan RE: Janis + GMtTA Link-Spell.
Diodri wrote:
Wanda's forcible re-popping by means of the 'Pliers. (Maybe not all instances, but was some dirty business with Ossomer).

Wanda goading Stanley into ending Faq.

Wanda's holier than thou mentality towards Fate and 'her side' directly leading to the genocide of Unaroyal.

Wanda's Garden.

Eh? How is bringing people back from the dead and gaining vital intelligence in the process a work of evil?

Eh? How is wiping out a band of mercenary marauders who helped destroy the mind of the love of her life a work of evil?

Eh? How is launching a counter attack against a remorseless foe, who brought her side to the brink of extermination and chose to commit genocide-suicide rather than accept the hand of peace a work of evil?

Eh? How is building a graveyard work of evil?
Now, I know the New One popped, so this thread is now basically a razed hex, but I must defend my post. Keep in mind that context of some of these events matters, and might only make sense to us Stupidworlders.

1: When Wanda killed Ossomer, Ansom was clearly distressed. He even going so far as to say, "What have you done?!" And, "This was wholly unnecessary!" So let's look at that closer.

Ansom was still in his religious fervor at this point. He was still a staunch Toolist, and one would expect that he would see his Brother joining his side, even by force, would be good thing. So why was Ansom objecting? Because maybe he was forced to watch his Brother be murdered, in a dishonorable way. Was that act so extreme that is almost made him turn, and that's why Wanda made him stay behind? Maybe you don't consider what Wanda did evil, but what would Ansom say?

2: I don't think I understood. If you mean Faq are the mercenary marauders, then all I can say is, Faq (at least 99% of the units of Faq) are unaware and were not involved in what happened to Jillian, and thus Wanda would have no grudge against them (afaik). Wanda did not intend to destroy Faq either, but assumed Stanley would fail. Her actions lead to the end of her side (mostly).

When Gaius Baltar in Battlestar Galactica accidentally let a Cylon into humanities security systems and lead to the near extinction of humanity, we might not consider that an 'evil' act, but he was nonetheless was condemned by the judicial body of that Universe, and we likely would have done the same in Stupidworld.

3: Come on. If country A started bombing the shit out of country B, and country B had the ability to say, "Boop it I'm out." And the President of Country B forces his citizens to commit mass suicide, we would be blaming Country A for it's war of aggression.

4: I should have clarified, I was referring specifically to the Garden with the Box, and the torture of Jillian and presumable many others.