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Twofer wrote:
There are no known conditions under which royalty can occur other than as warlords/casters(?) popped to a side ruled by a royal. There's an infinite regress problem here,

Perhaps, back in less polarized times, a non-royal side could trade a royal warlord off of an allied royal side -- the prince/princess turns to the new side and is made heir there. It would be beneficial for the non-royal side, because (a) eventually the side gets access to the royalty bonus and (b) it would get an heir with known qualities, rather than popping one itself and risking a dud.
Henning Makholm wrote:
Twofer wrote:
There are no known conditions under which royalty can occur other than as warlords/casters(?) popped to a side ruled by a royal. There's an infinite regress problem here,

Perhaps, back in less polarized times, a non-royal side could trade a royal warlord off of an allied royal side -- the prince/princess turns to the new side and is made heir there. It would be beneficial for the non-royal side, because (a) eventually the side gets access to the royalty bonus and (b) it would get an heir with known qualities, rather than popping one itself and risking a dud.



It may still be the case, Hyatt is described as a Regency. As such it may very well be ruled by a regent until such time as they can get a hold on a royal to promote to heir and then ruler. Such trades are known to happen, as DigDoug himself was traded for Homekey's heir.
DVL wrote:


Again, Erfworld does not follow conventional narrative structure, similar to a Song of Ice and Fire.
I made this point and will keep making it until people acknowledge it instead of ignoring it.

It's a Shandified narrative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0

In compromise, a lot of people just like to call this "setting building."
Shandification is when the setting takes over the entire narrative structure.

I like this idea and I liked the video and the youtuber that does it. Thank you.
So... My question is this - does book zero count as canon? It's been a while, but I seem to recall that charlie did a lot of mucking around in Jillian's head, and that she may actually be no more than a puppet. Maybe literally.
tomii wrote:
So... My question is this - does book zero count as canon? It's been a while, but I seem to recall that charlie did a lot of mucking around in Jillian's head, and that she may actually be no more than a puppet. Maybe literally.


I'm not sure about that, but if I'm as smart as Charlie and I have an agent of Fate, and I've been given free reign to "Fix" them, then I'm going to install a backdoor.

Also there's this.

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Henning Makholm wrote:
Twofer wrote:
There are no known conditions under which royalty can occur other than as warlords/casters(?) popped to a side ruled by a royal. There's an infinite regress problem here,

Perhaps, back in less polarized times, a non-royal side could trade a royal warlord off of an allied royal side -- the prince/princess turns to the new side and is made heir there. It would be beneficial for the non-royal side, because (a) eventually the side gets access to the royalty bonus and (b) it would get an heir with known qualities, rather than popping one itself and risking a dud.



It may still be the case, Hyatt is described as a Regency. As such it may very well be ruled by a regent until such time as they can get a hold on a royal to promote to heir and then ruler. Such trades are known to happen, as DigDoug himself was traded for Homekey's heir.


Another possibilitie: If Don is croaked right now, maybe Caesar becomes Regent: A non-Royal Ruler with a Royal heir when he/she pops.
WarFAN wrote:


Another possibilitie: If Don is croaked right now, maybe Caesar becomes Regent: A non-Royal Ruler with a Royal heir when he/she pops.


I like that, it's pretty clever!

But hey on the other side, if it works like I described earlier, Hyatt could get Empress saltina of the GMtTA as their ruler, which would be totally kickass.
╒╦╧╬╩╦╦╛ wrote:
WarFAN wrote:


Another possibilitie: If Don is croaked right now, maybe Caesar becomes Regent: A non-Royal Ruler with a Royal heir when he/she pops.


I like that, it's pretty clever!

But hey on the other side, if it works like I described earlier, Hyatt could get Empress saltina of the GMtTA as their ruler, which would be totally kickass.

If things go really sideways for the GMtTA after the trial, that may actually happen. I know it's apparently 'forbidden' for casters to found sides after escaping to the MK when their original side falls or something to that effect, but if they're already scorned by the MK, things really don't get much worse from there.
Orpheus wrote:
Jillian has all the trappings of the hero, a role previously taken by Ansom in what I feel was a very effective misplay... <snip for length>


What a great and astute analysis (sadly coming in near the eventual death of the thread)!

Now that you remind us of how GK fills the traditional bad guy role, it's indeed only fitting to have Jillian as their foil – she has many of the trappings of a classic hero(ine), complete with a noble origin, a tragic backstory, (in)convenient streaks of good luck (that make people rage so much about on the forums), a complicated love life tangled with antagonists, an Oath of Revenge against a nemesis who wronged her (Stanley)...

Heck, even her relationship with Charlie reminds me of a story hero – getting embroiled in the nets of an evil mastermind and even having to play into their hand for honour's sake (as your quote in reply to tomii foreshadows) is not an uncommon plotline.

Ingrained sexist bias against female characters aside, because I don't have the spoons/ovarian fortitude to argue about it on this forum, I wish your post would help people who get up in arms at the very thought of the Queen of FAQ put things into perspective: the "free passes" and "plot devices" that work in her favor are really no more than the standard fare of your generic story hero (less even; if this was your average book or movie, she's be the one with an Arkentool!)
Not so fun when the people you are rooting for are cast as the "villains", but it'll be all the more exciting to see them prevail, no?

Oh well! Welcome to the forums Orpheus!
Here's to hoping we'll read more of your interesting thoughts in the future!

I would have found Code Geass to be an okay enough anime myself if it hadn't been for all the creepy voyeuristic panty shots and crap (and the Pizza Hut corporate brainwashing, I guess). Ugh, so hard to find anime that does not pull those kind of gross tricks, so hard... Oh welp. The first season was entertaining enough, I guess, and it didn't turn as capital-H Horrible as Sword Art Online...
In an unrelated topic, I love the new avatar, CelebrenIthil.