Book 3 - Page 15

Book 3 - Page 15
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Unfortunately the point does stand. Let me try and explain this in simple terms for you since it's not obvious.

Artifact and magic item and arkentool are all descriptors. And the only real defining differences in terms of capabilities is that, (as we've seen with the arkentools which are the only confirmed artifact's AFAIK), some categories are capable of things that cannot be matched by mortals or anything they create. This clearly isn't true for Duncan's headband, and given what we know i don't think we can safely conclude that this is true of Parsons bracer at this point.

Also again, Duncan's headband worms in a different way and gives a different style of answer, we don't know what advantages or disadvantages are. Duncan's own words in this strip imply that outside of the effects of something like the Hammer that the headband can't account for, (and so far the Arkentools are the only things we've seen that it can't), his answers are always correct. Parsons Bracer can't do that, it gives odd's, and it can give odds so good they're almost unbeatable, but that doesn't mean it can ever predict something as a certainty unless it's flat out impossible for any other outcome to take place, and as we've seen even plans where one side has overwhelming odds don't give odds that good, it seems to only work for actually physically impossible things. Nor do i mean to say the headband can do everything the bracer can, but given the bracer is pure mathmancy i'd be shocked if there aren't things duncan's headband can do that the bracer can't simply because they involve different caster disciplines and as we've seen, whilst there are usually overlap's, there's also area's each is superior at, that appears from our available evidence to apply to items they create as well.

And in case you raise the point. In this case whilst we've no evidence that Duncan's headband has any unique advantages compared to the bracer, we do have evidence that it would be unusual for it not to have.
ManaCaster wrote:
And Parson would be a fool to not at least consider that she might perform another caster link of some sort.

Yes, Parson has been told that the Arkendish allows remote linking and should be aware that Kingworld was no ordinary Turnamancy spell. He should be aware of the possibility that any non-allied caster could suddenly link with Charlie, just as the rebels of The Matrix maintained an awareness that any non-liberated human in the matrix could suddenly transform into an "agent".
Whatever the turnamancer is going to do it'd better be soon, and powerful. If I remember the headband correctly all it does is give him an instinct on who might beat who on battle matches, not nearly the equal of the bracer.
Chit Rule Railroad wrote:
ManaCaster wrote:
And Parson would be a fool to not at least consider that she might perform another caster link of some sort.

Yes, Parson has been told that the Arkendish allows remote linking and should be aware that Kingworld was no ordinary Turnamancy spell. He should be aware of the possibility that any non-allied caster could suddenly link with Charlie, just as the rebels of The Matrix maintained an awareness that any non-liberated human in the matrix could suddenly transform into an "agent".


I am sure Parson has considered the possibility. That is why he did not want Stanley to engage with Jillian at all. But the question is what can he do about the linkup? He has very little control over this battle. This is all Stanley's mess up. Parson is doing everything he can to increase the odds of the battle. And that is using Ansom. I don't think there is much else he can do. If he told Stanley about the linkup, he would probably not listen, be overconfident and think he could croak the caster before she could do anything. Without a caster in the hex, he is extremely limited.

And also I don't think Ansom heard Jillian when she was giving her orders, as there was no in comic evidence that he did. He was probably in thinkspace at the time communicating with the casters, and oblivious to his surroundings.
Carl wrote:
Unfortunately the point does stand. Let me try and explain this in simple terms for you since it's not obvious.

Artifact and magic item and arkentool are all descriptors. And the only real defining differences in terms of capabilities is that, (as we've seen with the arkentools which are the only confirmed artifact's AFAIK), some categories are capable of things that cannot be matched by mortals or anything they create. This clearly isn't true for Duncan's headband, and given what we know i don't think we can safely conclude that this is true of Parsons bracer at this point.

Also again, Duncan's headband worms in a different way and gives a different style of answer, we don't know what advantages or disadvantages are. Duncan's own words in this strip imply that outside of the effects of something like the Hammer that the headband can't account for, (and so far the Arkentools are the only things we've seen that it can't), his answers are always correct. Parsons Bracer can't do that, it gives odd's, and it can give odds so good they're almost unbeatable, but that doesn't mean it can ever predict something as a certainty unless it's flat out impossible for any other outcome to take place, and as we've seen even plans where one side has overwhelming odds don't give odds that good, it seems to only work for actually physically impossible things. Nor do i mean to say the headband can do everything the bracer can, but given the bracer is pure mathmancy i'd be shocked if there aren't things duncan's headband can do that the bracer can't simply because they involve different caster disciplines and as we've seen, whilst there are usually overlap's, there's also area's each is superior at, that appears from our available evidence to apply to items they create as well.

And in case you raise the point. In this case whilst we've no evidence that Duncan's headband has any unique advantages compared to the bracer, we do have evidence that it would be unusual for it not to have.

You are assuming a great many things.

The only artifacts we've seen are the Arkentools. You are assuming that if it applies to a tool, it applies to an artifact. The tools are the most famous and powerful artifacts in existence. While saying that some artifacts are far more powerful than magic items, and their effects cannot be replicated by mortals is technically true, all you've essentially said is that Duncan's headband is a not a tool, which we knew. We don't even know if this is the case with Parson's bracer. It could be a here before unknown tool. Is it likely? Probably not. But it's possible. What we do know is that with the correct casters, the headband could be recreated. Parson's bracer could not be, because they would lack the watch component.

Duncan's headband was foiled by the arkenhammer, but you are assuming it was the mere presence that threw off the results. Duncan's headband picks winners in hypothetical match-ups. The match-ups were correct, but that doesn't matter if everyone who tries to go pick their fight gets blasted by all powerful lightning. Whereas Parson's bracer could compensate for the possibility of Stanley interfering. Also, the headband laughed at Duncan when he tried to match up Jillian and Wanda.

You are assuming the bracer is a pure mathamancy item. Nothing else to this point. We know what made the headband, we know nothing about the bracer other than what we've seen it do. No idea where it comes from or how it works. It could be fate/math for all we know.

You are assuming that the headband must be better at some things than the bracer, for no reason whatsoever. There has been no evidence of this. There is no proof that items that do similar things must have pros and cons over each other.
Daefaroth wrote:
Davre wrote:
It's true that he could do a revised calculation, but the 80% figure was from before that, right?


The 80% calculation was from page 14, 2 comics later. If Parson doesn't know that Vanna is taking a link it is because Wanda/Maggie didn't tell him.


Doh, not sure how I got that turned around. After re-reading the last few, I'm assuming that there hasn't been much off-page conversation between Maggie and Parson from page 12 onwards and that they haven't not relayed Jillian's command, if they caught it at all.
I would like to remind everyone, apropos of nothing in particular, that artifacts can pop in ruins.

And Carl, for the love of sanity, please stop using apostrophes in your plurals.
You mean possessives. But yes.
He means, plurals, I'm sure. Possessives are supposed to have apostrophes, but not plural words.
Silversought wrote:
He means, plurals, I'm sure. Possessives are supposed to have apostrophes, but not plural words.

With the exception of the possessive "its" of course. Just to mess with us.