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Book 3 - Page 144
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DrunkMonkGar wrote:
kaylasdad99 wrote:
Do the mechanics of Thinkamancy even permit Thinkagrams to units who are in Prisoner status? (I'm pretty sure I've read that caster Prisoners can't cast, so Maggie sending a Thinkagram to Parson or anyone else isn't even on the table.)

Baring a retcon, yes. Charlie thinkagraming Olive during the trial in book 0 was a legitimate concern.

Not according to rules given in Book 3. Of course, Charlie has the Arkendish, so that may explain that discrepancy. And it is, of course, entirely possible that the great minds know better.
Or it may just be that you can allow your prisoners to recieve thinkograms. Banhammer wanted his prisoner to talk with someone else. I doubt that is usually true.
DrunkMonkGar wrote:
kaylasdad99 wrote:
Do the mechanics of Thinkamancy even permit Thinkagrams to units who are in Prisoner status? (I'm pretty sure I've read that caster Prisoners can't cast, so Maggie sending a Thinkagram to Parson or anyone else isn't even on the table.)

Baring a retcon, yes. Charlie thinkagraming Olive during the trial in book 0 was a legitimate concern.


The contact with Charlie was initiated by FAQ's court, but once open they let him and Olive talk which Jillian quickly fixed.

Once the contact was closed, that loophole should've been closed. (Though with an arkentool it looks like some of the thinkamancy rules are flexible.)
I don't think FAQ had a Thinkamancer, so maybe none of the FAQ units knew if there was such a limitation?
Whispri wrote:
DrunkMonkGar wrote:
kaylasdad99 wrote:
Do the mechanics of Thinkamancy even permit Thinkagrams to units who are in Prisoner status? (I'm pretty sure I've read that caster Prisoners can't cast, so Maggie sending a Thinkagram to Parson or anyone else isn't even on the table.)

Baring a retcon, yes. Charlie thinkagraming Olive during the trial in book 0 was a legitimate concern.

Not according to rules given in Book 3. Of course, Charlie has the Arkendish, so that may explain that discrepancy. And it is, of course, entirely possible that the great minds know better.

So retcon. My apology.
Soval wrote:
The contact with Charlie was initiated by FAQ's court, but once open they let him and Olive talk which Jillian quickly fixed.

Once the contact was closed, that loophole should've been closed. (Though with an arkentool it looks like some of the thinkamancy rules are flexible.)
FAQ got Charlie's attention, and Charlie made the Thinkagram to all present. Charlie hung up, but then Jillian was still concerned that Charlie was now in a private call with Olive.
This means:
1. A Retcon will happen (Book 0 isn't final yet)
2. Jillian is overly cautious and doesn't know as much about magic
3. Some special exception was at work ('Dish power, Banhammer granting permission but failing to revoke it, etc)
It could be that hanging up could be done one participant at a time? Banhammer invited Charlie to start the thinkagram, but ,aybe they had no guarantee that when Charlie terminated the call, he really dropped olive off the call as well, maybe it was possible for him to stay in contact with her alone. That's possible if the Ruler's permission is required just to initiate the thinkagram, but not explicitly to maintain it.
╒╦╧╬╩╦╦╛ wrote:
Then again, we only see the back of his head, hidden by the point of view on that (what is is, a representation of gardening? Some flashback?) picture, he might have the thickest beard erfworld has quite litteraly never seen.

I interpret that as him watching the Gardening channel. It gives him comfort or distracts him like a child watching television.

themunck wrote:
Wait, so what were the peasants using for blue dye before lapis lazuli?

While this has already been answered, I'll add a bit to it. In Ancient Rome, blue represented death and the underworld. Since Celtic and Germanic barbarians to the north made extensive use of woad-based blue dyes, it also had a connotation of barbarism. Blue wasn't in much demand in Rome, but, when needed, they used indigo imported from India. Woad is comparatively rather poor at producing dye. It wasn't until the later explosion in the popularity of blue that demand elevated woad from being something only suitable for peasants to a luxury item.

ElKingo wrote:
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The process of making blue with woad was particularly long and noxious- it involved soaking the leaves of the plant for from three days to a week in human urine, ideally urine from men who had been drinking a great deal of alcohol, which was said to improve the colour. The fabric was then soaked for a day in the urine, then put out in the sun, where as it dried it turned blue. Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue

Urine is useful. Chemically, urea is very close to ammonia. The Ancient Romans used to collect urine and use it as an alkali to wash their clothes. It was also used until fairly recently in the tanning process, specifically to separate the hair from the skin. In fact, it's trade was extensive enough that it was taxed by the Roman Emperor Vespasian. When his son complained about the malodorous source of the income, Vespasian replied that "money doesn't smell."

ArkenSaw wrote:
Wow, that's interesting. I wonder if that's behind the origin of the expression "piss-poor", at least in part?

Unlikely. The first attested use of piss poor was in 1946, and it's original meaning was strictly referring to low quality, e.g. a piss-poor meal. The meaning of extremely poor did not arise until a couple decades later. It's basically 1940s slang. Piss was added to many words during the decade to act as an intensifier: piss-easy, piss-weak, piss-elegant, etc. Like many slang words over time, a few had the staying power to endure while most faded into obscurity.

As for prisoners and Thinkagrams, I think we were told that prisoners cannot receive them at some point, but I can't remember where. What I thought was happening, and this is only my interpretation, is that Charlie sent a Thinkagram to Jack, specifically, and that Jack was using his Foolamancy to project the Thinkagram in such a way that the rest of the court and Olive could interact with it. Olive wasn't able to communicate with Charlie directly, so the negotiation was being done through subtext. Charlie asked Olive if her time as ruler had given her any new insight into their old conversations. Olive said she'd be willing to concede the territorial issue but she wouldn't give up her garden. That's when Jillian interceded to end the negotiations. After that, Charlie ended the call to Jack and the rest of the court.

On the other hand, we do have multiple instances of prisoner's receiving Thinkagrams, but all of them involve an Arkentool and some form of Thinkamancy. The Archon captured by Haggar was able to receive a Thinkagram from Charlie. The Arkendish is an Arkentool with innate Thinkamancy. Wanda could see and hear through Lilith, but we have no reason to believe she could actually communicate to her. Wanda is linked to her through the Arkenpliers, and the Lilith has innate Thinkamancy, but it may not have been enough for active communication. It required a link with Maggie to directly communicate with Ansom. Of course, this is just my interpretation. I may have forgotten some relevant detail or just be using faulty logic.
easter wrote:
I feel what he was saying was "Hey. Yes. This is a thing Parson could technically do under the rules of this world. Parson will not be doing it because he finds it abhorrent. But also don't worry about other potentially likable characters from other sides doing it because sex is not a big deal to these people the way it is to us. You do not have to worry about rape as an issue in this universe because the concept literally does not exist in erfworld to the point where the very idea is confusing and quaint to them."

I don't think "You don't have to worry about rape if the person being raped does not know it's rape." is a message Rob wanted to convey. Ever.
perlcat wrote:
As much fun as the speculation is, I'd really like to see a new side come up called 'Fourthwall". Just so I can know what's really going on in their minds.


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