Book 3 - Page 14

Book 3 - Page 14
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All this conversation about "What happened in the last of Saline IV's stands" is appropriate I'd say. I believe that Charlie is going to be sharing the whole story with us in his attempts to take Vurp out of the equation. Because, I'm fairly certain that Vurp is only one of two or three units living that know the whole story of that day, since every other Hobgobwin was craoked in TBfGK. And if Wanda was not involved, then that would leave only Vurp and Charlie.

WurmD wrote:
BakaGrappler wrote:
And a quick reminder that I updated my Erffic not to long ago. Let me know what you think of it.


Baka! You went game-of-thrones on us!!

:) I don't approve in general of killing off characters, but great going in the writting :)


Ha-haaaaa! You have no idea how hungry I've been for feedback on that. But unfortunately it's slightly in the wrong place, the Feedback thread's right around here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6781

Not blaming you though, I really am just ecstatic that someone liked the chapter enough to leave written feedback. Perhaps that's why there was no feedback, the chapter was to psychologically damaging for them to put their thoughts into words. :mrgreen:
Lipkin wrote:
Davre wrote:
Prodigial Knight wrote:
Stanley knows the former ruler was croaked by this guys but still he has them around him constantly ...


In a another thread, somebody pointed out that it was the gobwins who croaked Saline IV and not the hobgobwins. They're similar, but as far as we know they are different tribes, right? Sizemore didn't mention what the hobgobwins were doing at the time, and I think everyone just put them in one group, perhaps correctly.

http://archives.erfworld.com/Book+1/87

Looks like both to me.


That's what I thought, and still think, too. The only quibble is that the putative hobgoblins are on the small side. They should be taller than Saline if he was standing, I think. Besides height, there's not much to choose between gobwins and hobgobwins in silhouette. But that's a little thin to hang the theory on.
Davre wrote:


That's what I thought, and still think, too. The only quibble is that the putative hobgoblins are on the small side. They should be taller than Saline if he was standing, I think. Besides height, there's not much to choose between gobwins and hobgobwins in silhouette. But that's a little thin to hang the theory on.

I think you're wrong about the general size of the Hobgobwins. You're comparing them to Stanley, who is already much shorter than the average Erfian.

This Hobgobwin is around the same size as Wanda, for example.

http://archives.erfworld.com/Book+1/28

Plus, because the entire scene with Saline is in silhouette, Saline and the Hob could be in the foreground, with everyone else further back.
Yes, but Stanley kneeling with his head bowed almost comes up to Saline's shoulders, which would mean the king wasn't much taller if at all. Saline also comes to about shoulder height while kneeling in front of the unidentified gob holding him at sword-point.

Wanda was very roughly three-quarters of a head taller than Stanley on page 19 of book 1, whereas the Hobgobwin Stanley speaks to on page 75 of book 1 is a good bit more than a head. So maybe some of the background gobs were hobs, but I can't really tell. Maybe this at least helps with the size comparisons.
Sturmm wrote:
Just something I saw:

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1178 BC, April 16—A solar eclipse occurs. This may have marked the return of Odysseus, legendary King of Ithaca, to his kingdom after the Trojan War.

1180–1178 BC—Collapse of the Hittite Empire. Their capital, Hattusa, falls around or slightly after 1180 BC.


If that's the reference, somebody croaks this turn. Odysseus would make sense as Parson, which makes Jillian the Hittite Empire (Hattusa)... Although I could see Stanley being the falling empire as well.

Unless it's 11/78, which is this little travesty:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

... Or the first broadcast of "Different Strokes" :lol:

Just for chuckles and grins -- http://www.historyorb.com/events/date/1978/november

On another note... One thing that bugs me: Parson's not reacting to the "Turnamancer of Unknown Level" statement as I'd expect he would. That should be a huge red flag in his mind, much like the "Suicide Waves" of Book 1:

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Yeah... I'll take it. But I don't get it, and I don't trust it.


I don't want to sound like I'm complaining about the writing, but that seems out of character. To be fair, he's having to make a bit of a snap judgement, so I suspect he will be watching carefully over the next few panels and this was just to save "digital ink", not exactly worth adding a panel or diaglogue over.
DrunkMonkGar wrote:
Yes, but Stanley kneeling with his head bowed almost comes up to Saline's shoulders, which would mean the king wasn't much taller if at all. Saline also comes to about shoulder height while kneeling in front of the unidentified gob holding him at sword-point.

Wanda was very roughly three-quarters of a head taller than Stanley on page 19 of book 1, whereas the Hobgobwin Stanley speaks to on page 75 of book 1 is a good bit more than a head. So maybe some of the background gobs were hobs, but I can't really tell. Maybe this at least helps with the size comparisons.

Gobs have all had giant heads. Hobs have more proportionate bodies.
Re: Lancers, I suspect they're good against any mounted unit, whether the two engaging mounted units are on the ground, water, or air.

Mmm. Now I want to see guys jousting while mounted on octopi.

(And would narwhals work like lancers, being able to de-mount their opponent? Huh.)

Otherwise, if their opposing unit is not mounted, then the lancers would function just like a unit with a bit extra reach, like a stabber. They'd be worse at close range than an average unit, but better at long range. And more mobile, because of their mount.
Lipkin wrote:
Gobs have all had giant heads. Hobs have more proportionate bodies.

Except for the Gobwins on page 74 of book 1, but otherwise you're very right. Going by head size it definitely looks to me like half and half on the revolt panel. The one menacing Saline is a pretty short Hobgobwin, but I didn't really expect the sizes to be consistent enough for this kind of analysis.
DrunkMonkGar wrote:
Lipkin wrote:
Gobs have all had giant heads. Hobs have more proportionate bodies.

Except for the Gobwins on page 74 of book 1, but otherwise you're very right. Going by head size it definitely looks to me like half and half on the revolt panel. The one menacing Saline is a pretty short Hobgobwin, but I didn't really expect the sizes to be consistent enough for this kind of analysis.

There are no gobwins on page 74 of book 1.
I'm sorry, it was 78. I'm not sure how I screwed that up with that page only two tabs away.

Link to make sure this time. I might be wrong about the one sort of standing though, but the one striking the ground looks to have a proportional head to me. But I'm just picking nits because I'm kind of a pedant, don't mind this digression.