Book 3 - Page 139

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Book 3 - Page 139
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Infidel wrote:
No, it is someone quoting and implying it is a fact, because someone else said it, so it must be true. Which is how religion works. This quote is taught in school and not as a humorous quote but as proof whenever a student questions a teacher's assertion that Democracy is "the best."

I think it's more a case of pointing out that something having flaws doesn't invalidate it. It's like when people talk about Capitalism being terrible and dehumanizing and impoverishing and so on... that can be, and is, all true. But it's only an argument to overthrow the bourgeoisie and viva a revolution or two if you can find an alternative system that not only fixes those problems but doesn't then introduce its own problems which capitalism doesn't have. The idea isn't "democracy is the best and cannot be questioned." it's "pointing out there are a lot of problems with democracy doesn't make it a bad foundation for a legal system until you can provide one that DOESN'T have a lot of problems."

EDIT: I am not actually interested in arguing the merits or democracy or capitalism specifically, just the underlying theory of the quote.
easter wrote:
Infidel wrote:
No, it is someone quoting and implying it is a fact, because someone else said it, so it must be true. Which is how religion works. This quote is taught in school and not as a humorous quote but as proof whenever a student questions a teacher's assertion that Democracy is "the best."

I think it's more a case of pointing out that something having flaws doesn't invalidate it. It's like when people talk about Capitalism being terrible and dehumanizing and impoverishing and so on... that can be, and is, all true. But it's only an argument to overthrow the bourgeoisie and viva a revolution or two if you can find an alternative system that not only fixes those problems but doesn't then introduce its own problems which capitalism doesn't have. The idea isn't "democracy is the best and cannot be questioned." it's "pointing out there are a lot of problems with democracy doesn't make it a bad foundation for a legal system until you can provide one that DOESN'T have a lot of problems."

EDIT: I am not actually interested in arguing the merits or democracy or capitalism specifically, just the underlying theory of the quote.

Infidel's point is that quoting someone's opinion as a fact is how religion works, rather than arguing about flaws and merits of democracy etc.
hitomi2500 wrote:
I doubt she is a Healomancer. As far as i recall, Final Fantasy VII uses wearable-materia-based magic system, basically providing every PC with every magic color avaliable, so technically Aeris is not a white mage.
Her signamancy is different, she is the last one from the most ancient tribe. If we'll prorpagate this into Erfworld terms, she is probably a barbarian from one of the original 99 sides.
But actually i doubt that her role will be of a much significance due to the stupidworld reasons.

Her limit breaks scream healomancer.

Nightseraph wrote:
Florist is just as probable as healomancer.
Corpse before we find out is more probable then either of those.

I have a hard time seeing a florist joining forces with this bloodthirsty mob tbh. Even if one would, the Knobians actually have good relations with that bunch.
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No, it is someone quoting and implying it is a fact, because someone else said it, so it must be true. Which is how religion works. This quote is taught in school and not as a humorous quote but as proof whenever a student questions a teacher's assertion that Democracy is "the best."


You might actually want to look into where i got it from. Jack Campbell's Lost Fleet series now that my memory is less sleep addled, (heartily recommend this to everyone btw), It's being uttered in response to democracy basically screwing things up in universe in a way that's an allegory for the way real world democracies can and do screw things up.

It's a giant commentary on how democracies still screw a lot of stuff up, but they screw up less than any other system of government.

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I have a hard time seeing a florist joining forces with this bloodthirsty mob tbh. Even if one would, Hamster actually has good relations with that bunch.


We never actually saw her attack anyone.
Whispri wrote:
I have a hard time seeing a florist joining forces with this bloodthirsty mob tbh.

Well, there was a psycho called Olive Branch :D
Carl wrote:
We never actually saw her attack anyone.

The blast that dusted poor Downer appeared to come from her direction. She may be innocent of that particular crime... but if she's not attacking, what is she doing, pressing so close to Gobwin Knob lines?

zilfallon wrote:
Well, there was a psycho called Olive Branch :D

She didn't go around shooting people though. She'd be inciting the mob, not fighting in the front lines.
Ozamataz Buckshank wrote:

Materia made every kind of magic available to every character, true, but Aeris's Limit Breaks were almost exclusively focused on healing. The ones that didn't heal were still well within the typical role of a Final Fantasy white mage, so Healomancer is still a good guess for her.

Oh, i totally forgot about her limits. Yeah, they definitely tip the scales towards healomancy.

Carl wrote:

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I have a hard time seeing a florist joining forces with this bloodthirsty mob tbh. Even if one would, Hamster actually has good relations with that bunch.


We never actually saw her attack anyone.

Page 135, top panel, she have her arm pointed towards GK units. She holds a wand in this arm, it's visible on the second panel. Could this be healomancy? Does helomancy require wands? In FF VII it did not, and a wand was rather a melee weapon and a materia holder (please correct me if i'm wrong). If it's not a healomancy, then it's probably a shockamancy.

zilfallon wrote:
Whispri wrote:
I have a hard time seeing a florist joining forces with this bloodthirsty mob tbh.

Well, there was a psycho called Olive Branch :D

This could be an exception. And even then, she rarely engaged into fight directly, she relied on more subtle... measures.
zilfallon wrote:
Whispri wrote:
I have a hard time seeing a florist joining forces with this bloodthirsty mob tbh.

Well, there was a psycho called Olive Branch :D

Psycho? She's not the one whom went berserk just because she was losing a trial.
Infidel wrote:
Mirage GSM wrote:

I wouldn't call it religious.
That quote is often attributed to Winston Churchill, but he himself quoted from an unknown source.
It's nothing more or less than someone stating their opinion in a mildly humourous way.


No, it is someone quoting and implying it is a fact, because someone else said it, so it must be true. Which is how religion works. This quote is taught in school and not as a humorous quote but as proof whenever a student questions a teacher's assertion that Democracy is "the best."

I don't think that everytime you quote someone you automatically imply that the quotee's opinion is to be taken as a fact, and if your school teacher did so, then that's a spin your teacher put onto it.
I don't know the exact context in which Churchill said that, but apparently it came shortly after he'd lost the elections, so I interpret it as an attempt at the wry humour for which he was so famous.
Of course you are free to interpret it another way - sometimes it can be hard to tell religion and humour from each other. (*)

*You may quote me on this, but please don't insist on taking it as a fact :-)
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Page 135, top panel, she have her arm pointed towards GK units. She holds a wand in this arm, it's visible on the second panel. Could this be healomancy? Does helomancy require wands? In FF VII it did not, and a wand was rather a melee weapon and a materia holder (please correct me if i'm wrong). If it's not a healomancy, then it's probably a shockamancy.


Good catch, i didn;t notice her till the reactions thread mentioned her a whole update later. Hard to say what she's doing there TBH, she could be the source of the yellow blast dusting a stabber, but it's hard to say for sure because i can't tell where that blast is coming from or what her angle of fire would be. Basically we can't say what's happening.