Book 3 - Page 13

Book 3 - Page 13
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Sizemore would probably have mentioned being with Stanley when they captured Wanda and Jack.
Davre wrote:


When Saline fell Stanley was out hunting Smurfs?!? Is Stanley Gargamel?
Daefaroth wrote:
Davre wrote:


When Saline fell Stanley was out hunting Smurfs?!? Is Stanley Gargamel?


Yeah, I had forgotten that until I was looking for the page in the archives. ;) The funny thing is, Sizemore mentions a "special mission" and you see the Smurf village and you don't know what the heck happened.
Davre wrote:
Daefaroth wrote:
Davre wrote:


When Saline fell Stanley was out hunting Smurfs?!? Is Stanley Gargamel?


Yeah, I had forgotten that until I was looking for the page in the archives. ;) The funny thing is, Sizemore mentions a "special mission" and you see the Smurf village and you don't know what the heck happened.


I guess they were just passing over it. It wouldn't be surprising if there was a Smurfs-based tribe/side in Erfworld :D
Hmmm... well, Gargamel wanted immortality and/or to turn them into gold, and the movie has them as a source of magic. So, really, odds are they're some kind of highly persecuted tribe who can be harvested/croaked for lots of money or... I don't know, "Smurfberry" rations that refill a caster's juice.
Davre wrote:
The only reason to think that Stanley was on the Faq raid when Saline IV was overthrown is that they are both trips that Stanley took when he was Chief Overlord. There's no other link that I can think of. I think readers knew that Stanley was away when Saline fell when they found out about the Faq raid and needlessly conflated the two.

When Stanley tells Zhopa the story he doesn't mention taking any casters, he just mentions the dwagons. I don't know why he would leave that detail out especially as the strength of his force was relevant to the story.

Also, casters going into combat is, or was, actually pretty unusual, IIRC.

Anyway, refresh your memory with the below links and make up your own mind. ;)

Wanda's short version of the fall of Faq
Stanley's version

Side note: in Wanda's version the dwagons have riders but not in Stanley's. Of course the first picture is before the battle and the other is after the battle.

Sizemore's version of the overthrow of Saline



Thanks for those links to avoid having to go search for them!!

Just reread those and wanted to comment a few interesting things (at least for me ;) )

* According to Sizemore's story, Stanley took him and a number of other casters on that special mission. I take that as not the same as "all the casters". Thinking of the casters we know/pressume were part of GK at the time I would say he took the Dirtamancer (not sure what use was Stanley considering for him when you think how he used Sizemore afterwards), probably the Lookamancer and the Foolamancer. The Thinkamancer probably stayed home and the Croakamancer could have gone either way (depending if we assume Wanda was part of the plot to overthrow Saline or not). The casters that I assume stayed home probably left to the Magic Kingdom when the coup took place and only returned after Stanley took back the city.

The other "interesting" thing I took from that story is that he said the "Gobwins" were the ones who broke alliance. He mentions nothing about the Hobgobwins. All the KISS army members were Hobgobwins. There were no Gobwins there. Probably there is a better explanation for this, but maybe the Gobwins being the ones who broke alliance is the reason why Stanley "trusts" the Hobgobwins more. Vurp's story said he lied to Parson about the fall of King Saline. It is never said that the Hobgobwins broke alliance (not that it couldn't happen).

If Stanley's hatred of Charlie is derived from this episode, I would expect that Charlie somehow plotted with Stanley about that special mission and betrayed him by killing King Saline. Not sure the motives for Charlie to do that (maybe he wasn't aware King Saline had an heir) nor if Stanley was part of the plot about the coup and Charlie's betrayal came from the small letters of the contract (like Stanley asked him to "capture" Saline so he would become overlord and Charlie decided to outright kill the King) but I could see some kind of "understanding" between Charlie and Stanley in this matter and Charlie screwing Stanley.


* About the other part of the story, the fall of FAQ, a few other comments.
Wanda contacted Stanley by thinkagram from the Magic Kingdom. This makes me think that Charlie was aware of this conversation.
From Wanda's perspective it would have made sense to have Jillian at home if her objective was to defeat Stanley. Yet, Jillian was out in the field (as most of the time).
This makes me think that either Wanda underestimated Stanley, overestimated the city defenses, didn't care that much about the outcome of the battle as long as she lived and could take control of the Arkentool and/or due to her feelings for Jillian, she wanted to make sure the princess stayed safe and there was no chance of her getting croaked in the battle.
Another option is that Stanley decided to go agaisnt FAQ at a different time to what Wanda told him/expected/planned, yet since Jack was in another city at the time (supposedly, part of Wanda's plan) I find hard to believe in this alternative.
So what I'm thinking is that Wanda plotted against Stanley (as she told Parson at the end of Book 1) but Charlie overheard the conversation and thought it was a great opportunity to wipe out FAQ so he messed up with the feral dwagons popping rate.
My guess is he's gonna release the "missing" gobwins if Vurp retreats or something.
Not Me wrote:

From Wanda's perspective it would have made sense to have Jillian at home if her objective was to defeat Stanley. Yet, Jillian was out in the field (as most of the time).
This makes me think that either Wanda underestimated Stanley, overestimated the city defenses, didn't care that much about the outcome of the battle as long as she lived and could take control of the Arkentool and/or due to her feelings for Jillian, she wanted to make sure the princess stayed safe and there was no chance of her getting croaked in the battle.


She fully admitted she underestimated Stanley. After all, he showed up with about twice as many Dwagons as he should have had access to.
Not Me wrote:
The other "interesting" thing I took from that story is that he said the "Gobwins" were the ones who broke alliance. He mentions nothing about the Hobgobwins. All the KISS army members were Hobgobwins. There were no Gobwins there. Probably there is a better explanation for this, but maybe the Gobwins being the ones who broke alliance is the reason why Stanley "trusts" the Hobgobwins more. Vurp's story said he lied to Parson about the fall of King Saline. It is never said that the Hobgobwins broke alliance (not that it couldn't happen).


That's a good point. I hadn't bothered to make the distinction before. It still seems like there's really not enough evidence to figure the whole thing out yet.

Not Me wrote:
Wanda contacted Stanley by thinkagram from the Magic Kingdom. This makes me think that Charlie was aware of this conversation.
From Wanda's perspective it would have made sense to have Jillian at home if her objective was to defeat Stanley. Yet, Jillian was out in the field (as most of the time).
This makes me think that either Wanda underestimated Stanley, overestimated the city defenses, didn't care that much about the outcome of the battle as long as she lived and could take control of the Arkentool and/or due to her feelings for Jillian, she wanted to make sure the princess stayed safe and there was no chance of her getting croaked in the battle.
Another option is that Stanley decided to go agaisnt FAQ at a different time to what Wanda told him/expected/planned, yet since Jack was in another city at the time (supposedly, part of Wanda's plan) I find hard to believe in this alternative.
So what I'm thinking is that Wanda plotted against Stanley (as she told Parson at the end of Book 1) but Charlie overheard the conversation and thought it was a great opportunity to wipe out FAQ so he messed up with the feral dwagons popping rate.


That's a good point about Charlie possibly overhearing the thinkagram but I still think that Charlie messing with the feral dwagon pop rate goes against the Deal of a Lifetime.
The reason there are no Gobwins around right now is because Gobwin Knob doesn't have any Gobwins right now. They all croaked in the volcano uncroaking. Parson and Stanley haven't been able to find any to re-ally with and rebuild the tribe; Parson's bracer indicates that it's likely Charlie has a hand in this.