Book 3 - Page 120

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Book 3 - Page 120
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If you want to test yourself
Write up a tanka
The hard part is making sure
All syllables work

You can't top tankas 8-)
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violets are red
everything is red
I'm not a poet.

Aanyway, getting back to some discussions here,

:arrow: point names - Jillian seems to have changed hers, true. I think Stanley's name should be considered to include "Plaid", although it is a bit blurry with Wanda Firebough of the Croatan tribe. In any case we don't even know if Charlie is Charlies proper name - I think all references before his flight from Judy refer to him only as The Wizard.

:arrow: point heirs - I think we are neglecting the role of capitals (or maybe cities anyway) here. It might be important. Neither Wanda nor Jillian were in a capital nor a sides city when they became rulers, and they didn't get to one before turning barbarian. King Loj Banhammer meanwhile was a King in his Capital.
I feel the key to this issue might lie in situation of a certain Tramennis the Reluctant, as of now, King of Jetstone... Whose father Slately croaked in defense of a capital, that was expected to be lost but did not expect his son to go barbarian.
Fabo wrote:

I feel the key to this issue might lie in situation of a certain Tramennis the Reluctant, as of now, King of Jetstone... Whose father Slately croaked in defense of a capital, that was expected to be lost but did not expect his son to go barbarian.


Spacerock was not the capital of Jetstone when it fell. That was the whole point of getting Slately to the throne room - so he could switch the capital to the city of Jetstone, so that the side Jetstone would not fall when Spacerock did. Tramennis never went barbarian because his side never lost its capital or its treasury.
Xarx wrote:
That was the whole point of getting Slately to the throne room - so he could switch the capital to the city of Jetstone, so that the side Jetstone would not fall when Spacerock did.


No. The Capital was switched so that Parson would be trapped in it. No (spoken) consideration was given to the risk of losing a capital as a side-endangering issue. That leads me to consider what was the difference between their cases.
http://archives.erfworld.com/Book+2/179
Fair point. That is weird.
Mnemnosyne wrote:
Book 3 - Page 9 - Parson's Klog 1: We're told that if a ruler is captured and there's no heir, the side freezes and all field units disband, as though the heir had been croaked. If the ruler is repatriated, the cities and side are restored, but field units remain gone forever.

Now, while Olive may well have been lying, King Banhammer and the rest of the court seemed to take her objection at face value. Surely they would know that the act of taking her prisoner should have disbanded all field units, and that objection would have been irrelevant? And they seemed to agree that it was possible that Haffaton units would attack the city to rescue their Overlady.

So, we have a discrepancy between what we're told happens if a ruler is captured in Book 3, and what seems to have happened in Book 0.

Hmm... Not necessarily. "If fugitive ruler returns to one of their cities, the ruler is repatriated and the side is restored, but disbanded units do not return." The captive ruler was being held in one of her own cities. While she couldn't be repatriated under guard, it might still have prevented the side from freezing since she was never out of her city. King Banhammer would not have been so rude as to let his daughter drag the woman out into the field for a trial, despite the risk.

It's an edge case possibility, but it seems to fit both what we've been told and the reactions of those involved. It's one of those "good questions to ask" for Parson, since he knows about the Deal of a Lifetime now.
Efbaum was not a Haffaton city at the time; after Jillian croaked the golems and ordered her father to capture Orwell, Efbaum was conquered by Faq. That's how she's captured in the first place -- she left to the airspace, which made Orwell the final Haffaton unit in the garrison. When Loj Banhammer captured him, the city fell, and all units in the other zones of the city, meaning Olive in the airspace, was automagically made a prisoner (though as she was still on the move, she was actually a fugitive).

I guess the broom granted her move? Since when Olive ended turn just before, she should have lost all her remaining move and be unable to take to the air even if the broom granted her the flight special.
dholm wrote:
Efbaum was not a Haffaton city at the time; after Jillian croaked the golems and ordered her father to capture Orwell, Efbaum was conquered by Faq. That's how she's captured in the first place -- she left to the airspace, which made Orwell the final Haffaton unit in the garrison. When Loj Banhammer captured him, the city fell, and all units in the other zones of the city, meaning Olive in the airspace, was automagically made a prisoner (though as she was still on the move, she was actually a fugitive).

I guess the broom granted her move? Since when Olive ended turn just before, she should have lost all her remaining move and be unable to take to the air even if the broom granted her the flight special.

BUT! Units don't need move to change zones within their own cities. When Olive took off, it was still her city. Where she thought she was going beyond that with zero move, I have no idea, but presumably she was acting out of blind panic at that point.
Ah, good point. Guess she would have run face first into the hex boundary if Jillian hadn't killed her.
I'd forgotten the city turned, my bad. Is it possible that those units in the same hex as natural allies would remain active? We know Haffaton had quite a few of those. Or maybe that only happens if the ruler is capture off-turn; Olive hadn't ended turn before being captured (see below quotes). Even if she had, the Klog above mentions prisoners getting a pseudo turn before their captors, so she might have had two turns worth of move (plus the broom) to escape with anyway. (Note to Parson: 'capture' a unit on its turn before yours, and allow them to escape, just to see if this works.)

Wanda, Book 0 Page 65 “She can speak. She has tricks. And this is still Haffaton‘s turn. They will know she is here, and they will send forces.”

Jack, Book 0 Page 66“It still being the, ah, enemy‘s turn... we perhaps cannot afford to dwell on this question long.”