Book 3 - Page 107

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Book 3 - Page 107
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Gorgon wrote:
The earlier talk about how machine gun vs grenades through the portal would be limited by the firing arc got me thinking a bit. First, if you had a few tripods set up at at different angles, you could get a pretty big field of fire. Not quite the full 180 degrees, but pretty close. You'd need 3 or more guns for that, depending how far away you wanted to hit things, and most of them inside the airlock, by the portal, for the side angles. That's a pretty confined space inside though, so I doubt they could effectively use more than 3. If they made the tripods mobile somehow (locking wheels or a curved track mount), then 1 would do, but then they probably wouldn't be called tripods. ;)

*edits* You might also be able to stick it partially through the portal, and get 1 wide field of fire, but also risk losing/damaging the gun.

That also got me thinking about the design of CC's portal room, and I looked back a bit to check on some stuff. Do we know if the portals are one-sided, or can you enter/exit from both sides? I know most capital portals we've seen are built into/close to walls, but the ones in the MK appear open on both sides. e.g. Hvs.tCF_66:7. CC's portal room also is circular in the latest picture, and it may have an entrance on the other side of the airlock too. I only see the back window/wall of the central chamber, but the entrance to the rear airlock would be hidden by the portal, and the airlock itself maybe obscured by the 3rd layer of drawn glass.

If CC can attack from both directions, there are a lot less safe places (you'd have to be directly to the side of the portal in the MK, and hope they don't use area of effect weapons). That also raises the question of how the casters know which direction is safe to enter other portals, if the capitals have walls in one direction? They would learn over time, but what about new casters, or new/rebuilt capitals? Blindly walking into an untested portal would be risky, and telling someone to walk into the wrong side would be nasty, but effective caster removal (unless they can sense it somehow).

If the portals are one-sided, then all of that is irrelevant.


I don't think even Stargate addressed what the reverse side of the portal does, but seemed to imply the same thing as getting caught in the splash/whoosh when it opens.

The true nature of portals have been hidden on purpose. It is a magic people don't understand, or if they do that knowledge is kept secret. And knowledge is something Charlie definitely has an upper leg on.

Erfworlder's believed only casters could enter. Parson has demonstrated there are exceptions. It could be the current beliefs about portals are wrong, or there's some secret about Parson that know one knows of yet.
Either way, our understanding of portals have been left open ended on purpose, either to drive a certain story point, or perhaps to make story telling easier when more ideas are on the table. I'm sure we'll understand more about them soon after Charlie uses them differently. Any caster knows not to show all their cards so they aren't feared in a way they might become targeted.
Lilwik wrote:

On a more meta level, if Lilith were saved by a surprise revelation that she can go through the portal, that would be deus ex machina and we can expect better than that from Erfworld. If Lilith is going to be saved, whatever is going to save her is something we've already been told.

Given how many people were speculating on this, would it really be a surprise relevation if Lilith made it past the portal? Unless you mean, a surprise to her.
Lilwik wrote:
Mirage GSM wrote:
I think the likelihood of Lilith being able to pass the portal just went up.
No technical argument can cause that to happen.

Poor wording on my part. Redacted for clarity.
Hi, long time listener, first time caller.

Couple of brief questions, I'm sure they've been answered elsewhere, but I don't usually go to the forums.

1) What's to stop Lilith from just throwing the weapons across the portal?
2) Given from what we know, which is that Archons don't carry the weapons on missions, how likely is it that the weapons are unknown to any side but Charlie's?
3) What's the effect of other sides seeing the weapons? Could they be a possible violation of Charlie's terms?
4) Given that this update tells us that guns are ranged weapons capable of firing into other hexes and through portals, why wouldn't the knowledge of their existence make Charlie Public Enemy Number One?
This update implies that common ranged weapons are unable to fire through portals, otherwise testing results on the tripod details would have been superfluous.
Also portals seem to ignore hex boundary rules, as they can be used off turn. Hex boundaries act as walls when entry is denied, different than lethal effect portals have.
NobodySpecial wrote:
Hi, long time listener, first time caller.

Couple of brief questions, I'm sure they've been answered elsewhere, but I don't usually go to the forums.

1) What's to stop Lilith from just throwing the weapons across the portal?
2) Given from what we know, which is that Archons don't carry the weapons on missions, how likely is it that the weapons are unknown to any side but Charlie's?
3) What's the effect of other sides seeing the weapons? Could they be a possible violation of Charlie's terms?
4) Given that this update tells us that guns are ranged weapons capable of firing into other hexes and through portals, why wouldn't the knowledge of their existence make Charlie Public Enemy Number One?


@1. That's the plan. Weapons and an archon or two.

@2. Very likely

@3. What terms do you mean?

@4. If they can fire through hex boundaries, it would be a big thing. Might be a part of why Charlie doesn't want them out.
Anomynous 167 wrote:
Given how many people were speculating on this, would it really be a surprise relevation if Lilith made it past the portal?
It certainly would be a surprise if Lilith could go through the portal. No one really believes that she can. The speculation is that maybe she can if Erfworlders don't understand portals as well as they think they do. It's a possibility that people are toying with, not something that we've actually been told.

Unless Rob Balder decides to go Deus Ex Machina, the first time we're told that a decrypted archon can go through the portal will not be when Lilith is rescued from Charlie.
davesnothere wrote:

Let me saw that limb off for you....

You are forgetting that Parson lives in Columbus Ohio. "The Game" here would be Ohio State vs. Michigan. It will be played on Nov 28th this year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan%E2%80%93Ohio_State_football_rivalry

In the B1G Ten we really don't pay much attention to the west coast rivalries, until Rose Bowl time.

Go Blue!


Yeah, I've heard of that game too (I grew up in Illinois, and remember when the Big Ten actually had ten schools), and I didn't forget that Parson hails from Ohio - though I doubt he follows sports. But it's "The Game," not "Big Game" - and I'd argue that the '82 Big Game finish has been seen by more people than any clip of Michigan-Ohio State. However, it doesn't look like we'll get to a big action scene by tomorrow anyway.
Kerrus wrote:
Ah, Charlie, how interesting. Keeping the majority of your assets off the books.

I've wondered after BFGK, when the gem caches were unearthed, whether there would be benefits to NOT adding them to the treasury. And then I forgot about it.
It might be worth it to hide a giant stash of gems in the neighboring mountains in order to have a reserve treasury in case the side falls. However, it would need to be well hidden to prevent Marbits from finding them.