Book 2 - Text Updates 029

Book 2 - Text Updates 029

There was so much afoot, yet so little to be done.

Mounted upon the flying carpet, Ossomer fretted and floated aimlessly within the Foolamancy baffle, unconvinced it offered them any significant protection. When the enemy opened up, they could afford to miss most of their shots. Especially with a Dittomancer at hand.

In the fog, his view of the city was thoroughly obscured. Even members of his own stack were difficult to make out. Lady Sylvia loomed close by, and was easily recognized. But could he not feel the palpable pull of the Arkenpliers, he would not even be certain which of the two dwagons to his left carried his ...Commander, he supposed. If such was her desired title.

She had yet to seek his counsel. Had he not been Prince of this city?

"Commander" Wanda had, in fact, seemed fully satisfied at Stanley's strange appointment of a garrisoned Level 2 to Chief Warlord. A Lord...Hamster? Far from considering this move preposterous, she acted almost as if it settled their predicament entirely, and no battle planning was needed. And the Foolamancer concurred!

Casters.

Ossomer sighed. "This is not the sort of procedure to which I am accustomed," he said aloud. He spoke to the air, but knew that Lady Sylvia was the only one within his earshot.

For a long moment, she did not reply. He turned and looked at her. She was staring ahead, fixated on a blank point in foggy space.

Another long moment passed, and she turned her head to meet his eyes.

"Adapt," she told him. She held his gaze.

The leather saddle beneath him scrunched as he straightened his posture. He was somewhat offended by the bluntness of the reply, but had to admit it had merit. He had not long been a part of this side, and supposed he would require some time to adjust to its customs. He also supposed he hadn't much time left to do so.

"Help me," he said. "Help me to do so."

She nodded, her eyes distant. "What do you need?"

"This new Chief Warlord, he is only Level 2," he said. "How can he--"

"He is Level 20," said Sylvia. "He is Level Thousand. He is Level Million. It does not matter."

Ossomer lowered his brow and said nothing.

"He is of Fate," said Sylvia. "Lady Firebaugh has said as much, and I have seen as much. I have held the Arkenpliers, did you know? Have you?"

Ossomer nodded solemnly. "I have. Each Prince of Jetstone held them at least once, in hopes of attunement."

For the first time, Sylvia smiled. It was only the barest tightening of the lips, but it made her seem present in a way she normally did not.

"Do you remember the sense of the divine? Did you feel that your hands were in contact with something greater than the world?" she asked. She turned her head and looked into the featureless distance. "The Arkentools were used to build the world. I wielded the Arkenpliers, and had the feeling that they could build more worlds than only this one. Their power was primal, undeniable, and very strange."

Ossomer thought back to the sole moment that the Arkenpliers had been handed to him, in a small ceremony in the presence of three of his brothers and King Slately. Ansom had placed them in his palm.

He had stood, felt their heft. He resized them slightly. He struck an en garde, swung them through the air. Guards brought in a Twoll prisoner, and he deftly executed it with a mighty blow, to polite applause. Then they brought him an Uncroaked prisoner and he did the same, turning the skeletal form to gritty dust.

At no time had he felt what Lady Sylvia described. At most, there was a warmth to them. But he merely found them an awkward and inelegant melee weapon. He was happy to return them to Ansom, who seemed worried and protective. For this, he now felt somehow ashamed.

"I suppose..." he said noncommittally.

"But then, the mountain shook. I thought it was more traps, but the walls all fell and the ground cracked, and the city exploded. I stood there in the ashen rain and met my Fate. I croaked that turn, burned alive by the very ground I stood upon." Her smile broadened now, and seemed eerily at odds with the story she was relating. "But as it was happening, I felt something else, Warlord."

Sylvia pulled her armored shoulders in toward her body, smiling like she had been given a warm blanket on a cold night. "I felt another power. Not greater, but closer. More active. More alive. And just as alien. I never knew what it could have been, but my Lady Wanda was kind enough to explain it. Do you know what that power was, Warlord?"

Not for the first time today, Ossomer was lost. "I do not."

She smiled and closed her eyes. "It was Lord Hamster with an idea."

"I...see," said Ossomer, dubiously.

"You will," said Sylvia, snapping her head toward him suddenly. "This city will yet burn." Her eyes drifted away to a point in the sky. "I rather hope he will burn down the whole world."

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"The bracer has a limited pool of knowledge to draw from, it is not all knowing."

What are the odds that Parson counts as warlord level 2 for leadership now... probably close to 100%

Possible certain questions "are" nearly 100% certain, basic game rules known by the bracer somehow even if average player does not know them, including what are "tools" and what aren't.
Well, then it comes down to whether 'can royals attune' is a basic game rule known by the bracer or not.

It's also one of those questions where any answer except "0%" is pretty much useless. If Parson asks "what are the odds a Royal can attune" and gets something that's almost 100% or even 100%, that might just mean that there's nothing in the rules against it, and doesn't mean that it ever will happen or ever has. If you get an answer that's almost 0 but not quite, that's also not telling you much - after all, the probability that anyone attunes is low, royals are no exception. Given that question, the only possible answer that's useful enough to actually *do* something with is 0.
I just noticed an interesting line in this update:

"He had stood, felt their heft. He resized them slightly."

Are all magic items subject to resizing? I know the eye-books are. Hats probably are too, to fit different wearers. It seems odd that Arkentools are subject to resizing, though - you would think, from their graphical depiction, that they're fixed, constant, absolute things - or maybe they are, and whoever's holding them is actually making the universe bigger or smaller. Or maybe Ossomer didn't actually resize them, but just thought he did, and that's one of the reasons the pliers didn't like him - he was treating them like a conventional magic item instead of a sacred artifact.

Also, one of my theories about why Charlie only had one city, and why he never left, was because the dish couldn't be moved. But maybe the dish is resizeable and portable, but it just takes a long time to set up or unplug, with some complex tangle of wires in the back - or maybe Charlie's just a couch potato (I know I would be if I had the best satellite dish in the universe).
MarbitChow wrote:
The same is true if you ask the question "What are the odds of person X winning the lottery?" when person X has just won the lottery. Their odds of winning haven't changed - it's still one in 70,000,000.

Don't confuse calculation of the odds with determining what the probability wave collapsed to.
I agree, I just don't think you're applying it correctly.

Let's agree for arguments sake that at present Wanda and company have a 2% chance of living out the turn. The exact number isn't important, but I think that we can agree that everyone who looks at the situation, Tram, Slately, Don, Ossomer, Parson, all agree that it is a fight Wanda isn't going to win. That it isn't even close.

Parson runs this through the bracer, and gets a result that is sufficiently low to be represented here for arguments sake as 2%.
Now Parson runs the numbers again, except this time he factors in his "food fight cheat." This is exactly the kind of exercise he and Jack have been running: "Now lets give all 2,000 of those infantry the ability to cast like Archons, and run it again."
If the odds come up significantly better, then Parson knows that his "cheat" will be allowed and will work. Thus there is no wave form to collapse. His cheat will either work, or it will not work. And the bracer should be able to tell him this simply by Parson factoring in this strategy and seeing odds of survival being significantly higher than 2%. Parson still won't know if Wanda will live, that waveform has yet to collapse, but if he now sees a 85% chance of survival, he KNOWS that his food fight is going to work to boost her odds of survival. And so that makes it a 100% chance that the food fight works. Not "is successful", just works as intended to improve the odds.

And as far as Parson having a 1/10,000,000 chance of not being from Earth, I believe that you are confusion the odds of something happening with the facts of what has happened, or what simply is. Parson IS from Earth, no matter how many times you roll that die it is not going to come up "Parson is from Erf." Thus there is a 0% chance that Parson is from Erf, and a 100% chance that Parson is from Earth.

What is your chance of rolling a 1 on a D6? 1/6, every single time. Once rolled and you're looking at a 1, what are the odds that you're looking at a 1? 100%, every single time. Determining what IS should be a trivial exercise for the bracer. "Am I a titan? "Am I a caster?" "Is Charlie from earth?", all of these have no waveform to collapse. They either are, or are not. There is no try.
multilis wrote:
What are the odds that Parson counts as warlord level 2 for leadership now... probably close to 100%

Possible certain questions "are" nearly 100% certain, basic game rules known by the bracer somehow even if average player does not know them, including what are "tools" and what aren't.
Very true, but the two points I was responding too, if Parson is an Arkentool, and especially if Charlie is from earth, don't seem to require binary responses. It very well could give a 0% chance if the bracer say, knows that people can't be arkentools, or Parson would have learned by stuipid meal if Charlie was from earth. It could give a 100% if its pool of knowledge included those facts as well. But it could just as easily give a chance that Charlie is from earth, and not have a binary response.

Although Parson might be able to ask it questions like "If the fourth Arkentool appeared in a random royal's hands, what is the chance the royal would attune?" If Royal's can't attune the bracer would spit out a 0%. He could do the same for commoners to see if they auto attune. (Which would conviently answer the question of if attunement is based on royal/noble/commoner status...)
splintermute wrote:


Are all magic items subject to resizing? I know the eye-books are. Hats probably are too, to fit different wearers. It seems odd that Arkentools are subject to resizing, though - you would think, from their graphical depiction, that they're fixed, constant, absolute things


Early in Book 1, an undead fighter is about to attack Jillian when Ansom gets it with the Pliers. They are clearly shown lengthening by at least 2 feet to reach.
Carne wrote:
There's no real evidence for any of the Arkentools as conscious entites. But, as you state above, the character bio states the Hammer likes Stanley, which is evidence of discernment*.


DevilDan wrote:
I forget, do we have Word of the Titans that the cast page was even canon?


My portrayal of the Tools being sentient was based on my memory of Rob discussing the character bio in terms of it being true canon, and confirming that "Tools are people too". However, looking everywhere I can think of, I cannot find this conversation to quote, so maybe it was my faulty memory ascribing the certainty of Tool sentience to Word of the Titans, when perhaps it was merely another forum speculation I read.

That being said, I stick to my point about "who can attune Arkentools?" speculation being moot, because I interpret "attunement" to be merely a manifestation of a particular Tool's choice. That's not a new stance for me...In the very early days of Book 1, before we had the benefit of separate Erfworld forums, the very first tinfoil hat theory I ever aired, before we had the insights into the characters that we now do, was the idea that the reason things were unfolding as they were (the RCC I set in motion, Stanley feeling compelled to conquer, Charlie getting involved, etc.) was because the Tools were working toward some unknown goal, putting their wielders on the move.

Some of my reasoning may have been flawed or wishful thinking, like any good TFH theory, but nothing has happened throughout this whole time to deny it's possibility. Makes me all warm inside just thinking about it. lol
Dr Pepper wrote:

Early in Book 1, an undead fighter is about to attack Jillian when Ansom gets it with the Pliers. They are clearly shown lengthening by at least 2 feet to reach.

When did that happen? Are you referring to page 71? Which panel shows them lengthening?

That's not to say they can't lengthen, but if you could resize them that dramatically, why didn't he just stretch them out into a 20-foot pole and sweep across all the uncroaked on GK's outer wall? Would that have made them too unwieldy? Or too heavy? Does resizing an artifact/magic item change its mass?
Oberon wrote:
What is your chance of rolling a 1 on a D6? 1/6, every single time. Once rolled and you're looking at a 1, what are the odds that you're looking at a 1? 100%, every single time. Determining what IS should be a trivial exercise for the bracer. "Am I a titan? "Am I a caster?" "Is Charlie from earth?", all of these have no waveform to collapse. They either are, or are not. There is no try.

Was Charlie involved in GK not able to find wild gobwins? (Bracer has limited pool of knowledge to draw from in things that have already happenned, are true/false, we don't know what is in that pool)
Oberon wrote:
. Determining what IS should be a trivial exercise for the bracer. "Am I a titan? "Am I a caster?" "Is Charlie from earth?", all of these have no waveform to collapse. They either are, or are not. There is no try.


They either are, or are not. But the Bracer might not KNOW which is which.

To continue the analogy - suppose I roll a D6, and then cover it up with a cup. And then I ask you "what's the probability that a 1 rolled?" Well, it either rolled, or didn't roll. But you don't know which, so you say 1/6.

A probability is averaging over uncertainty in your knowledge, not just uncertainty in the state of the world itself.