Book 2 - Page 28

Book 2 - Page 28
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Stanley seemed really happy that Ansom drove back Haggar, but then again, Ansom can do no wrong in Stan's eyes. I was thinking, what would the Tool say if he knew that Ansom acted in an un-royal warlordly manner and denied Sammy's challenge to face him one on one?
Ninjaguineapig wrote:
Stanley seemed really happy that Ansom drove back Haggar, but then again, Ansom can do no wrong in Stan's eyes. I was thinking, what would the Tool say if he knew that Ansom acted in an un-royal warlordly manner and denied Sammy's challenge to face him one on one?


You know, I never read Sammy's words as an actual challenge to a duel. If Sammy expected this to be a formal duel type thing, then he would have declared so from the beginning. If you look at the panel he makes his "challenge" in, his men are actively screening him from Ansom's forces to give him a clear path to Ansom. It feels less like he threw down the gauntlet to Ansom and more like he told him "it's just you and me now." They know they can't win this fight, so they are trying to meet their primary objective the way they see as being possible, keep Ansom's guards away long enough for Sammy to take him down. The outcome of which is less then they had hoped for.

That has been my take, clearly it is not the only one and doesn't even seem to be the prevailing theory.
trotsky wrote:
Ninjaguineapig wrote:
Stanley seemed really happy that Ansom drove back Haggar, but then again, Ansom can do no wrong in Stan's eyes. I was thinking, what would the Tool say if he knew that Ansom acted in an un-royal warlordly manner and denied Sammy's challenge to face him one on one?


You know, I never read Sammy's words as an actual challenge to a duel. If Sammy expected this to be a formal duel type thing, then he would have declared so from the beginning. If you look at the panel he makes his "challenge" in, his men are actively screening him from Ansom's forces to give him a clear path to Ansom. It feels less like he threw down the gauntlet to Ansom and more like he told him "it's just you and me now." They know they can't win this fight, so they are trying to meet their primary objective the way they see as being possible, keep Ansom's guards away long enough for Sammy to take him down. The outcome of which is less then they had hoped for.

That has been my take, clearly it is not the only one and doesn't even seem to be the prevailing theory.


Thats how I saw it too. Sammy's words sound more like a "now it's you and me" not like "I challenge you to a duel". In fact, his "It's man to man, eye to eye" thing doesn't necessarily mean just Sammy and Ansom, it could just as easily mean "we're evenly matched, man for man, and our troops are facing each other eye to eye".

Also, Sammy's words sound like song lyrics, so I imagine he's just Rocking Out.

I've re-read the strip several times and I just don't see a formal duel challenge there. I think the case for it to be a casual commentary on the state of the battle is alot stronger than it being a direct and formal challenge.
homeosapiens wrote:

So you rather believe all trioxin uncroaked are same strenght? Than is your right.


If they weren't, there'd be little incentive not to just use trioxin all the time. If a mass uncroaking can uncroak a warlord AS a warlord along with dozens of additional troops vs. just uncroaking the warlord, then it's a no-brainer (heh. zombie joke.) to always use trioxin. The advantage of having them last longer seems relatively underpowered suddenly, unless they're both tougher AND longer lasting.

Trioxin uncroaked are just regular uncroaked, and the strip makes that very clear.
Reclaimer wrote:

Edit: I've recently started thinking of the Arkentools as all part of the same set.


You're not the only one!
I thought that trioxin uncroacked had a lot less juice spent per uncroaked, and it was how long they lasted, not how powerful they were, that was the limiting factor. In other words, yes, just as powerful as in life... at first. But they get weaker quickly because there wasn't as much effort put into their construction. And as far as I can tell, you can't uncroak a unit more than once, so it's not repeatable, and it only lasts a very short time. It's powerful, yes, but it's also an all-eggs-in-one-basket kind of strategy. If the enemy can hold them off for a turn or two, the situation goes back to how it was pre-trioxin, so it's really a tactic of desperation because it's not sustainable.
DoctorJest wrote:



Also, Sammy's words sound like song lyrics, so I imagine he's just Rocking Out.


Quite right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVBmFtL0Q40
DoctorJest wrote:
homeosapiens wrote:

So you rather believe all trioxin uncroaked are same strenght? Than is your right.


If they weren't, there'd be little incentive not to just use trioxin all the time. If a mass uncroaking can uncroak a warlord AS a warlord along with dozens of additional troops vs. just uncroaking the warlord, then it's a no-brainer (heh. zombie joke.) to always use trioxin. The advantage of having them last longer seems relatively underpowered suddenly, unless they're both tougher AND longer lasting.

Trioxin uncroaked are just regular uncroaked, and the strip makes that very clear.



Eh, trioxin makes the "weakest type" of uncroaked. This can mean either (a) lowest absolute strength, or (b) lowest percentage of original strength. Note that (b) would mean that higher level units, when killed and trioxin-uncroaked, are still stronger than their fellow trioxin-uncroaked grunt troops.

Again, to clarify:
A:
Croakamancer spends more time, unit is 'x' strength.
Croakamancer uses trioxin, unit is 'x - 2' strength.

B:
Croakamancer uses more time, unit is 75% of the strength it had when it died.
Croakamancer uses trioxin, unit is 25% of the strength it had when it died (warlord abilities may or may not be retained).

Either (a) or (b) makes sense in light of the strip about trioxin, but I think that (b) is more consistent with normal croakamancy skills; ie, stronger units make for stronger uncroaked, generally speaking.
As someone noticed Parson not having pupils anymore, I also noticed that Parson is speaking in Erfworlder font, not his own Earth font.
Phoenix10k wrote:
As someone noticed Parson not having pupils anymore, I also noticed that Parson is speaking in Erfworlder font, not his own Earth font.


The pupils thing is likely deliberate, but the font may very well be a simple matter of the artist having changed over the summer.