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Book 2 - Text Updates 012

Ossomer glanced around the city below, his eyes tracing the outer walls.

Bare of defenders, of course. What units remained here would surely have been withdrawn to the garrison as soon as the veil was lifted and it was known that Gobwin Knob's main threat consisted of flyers.

He breathed deeply. He did still breathe. The air was still sweet here.

These entire circumstances seemed unreal, if not actually dreamlike. This battle struck him more as an abstract tactical scenario. "Here, Prince Ossomer, now you portray the enemy forces, and we will try to stop you! Set the pieces upon the map again."

He could and would conquer this city for the Tools of the Titans, but it was still home. He could see tiny figures on the tower parapet. Among them must surely be Father.

He'd not repeat Ansom's folly. He would not bother to plead the Titans' new Truth to the King of Jetstone. Father was even more stubborn than any Prince. He would have to be shown. Alas, it was probable that most of the living would have to be shown, as Ossomer himself had been.

So be it. If the Titans willed an easier path, then let them mark it.

His tactical mind took the fore, and he took this abeyance to work out an order of battle, and consider the merits of various tactics.

Within a minute or so of thought, it became clear that there were three classes of likely outcomes: a facile victory, a straightforward victory, and a costly victory. It depended entirely on Faq. Should Faq ally with Gobwin Knob, the city would fall easily. Should Faq stand aside, their victory over Jetstone would also proceed relatively smoothly. But to fight his way through the forces before him, Ossomer knew he would expend too large a portion of his own force to take the garrison without destroying it.

Commander Firebaugh had ordered him to arrange stacks to do precisely that. Hold Archons and Casters in reserve, while pinks and blues engage top units to immobilize. Yellows and greens then screen for the purples and reds, which would burn and topple the tower. Croaking Father in the tower would then cause Jetstone's field units to disband, and allow Ansom to advance Gobwin Knob's significant ground forces to defend the city against Haggar's column.

But it seemed a waste. A terrible waste. Nearly six thousand units would disband, including Prince Tramennis, three Casters, and forty-eight Warlords. He frowned.

It was...less than optimal.

So much depended upon Faq. He trusted his Commander, gifted as she was with Titanic power. She had taken his life away, but given him this Second Life. If she said Faq would switch alliance, then it would. But in that case, everything he understood about Faq had been wrong.

Perhaps he should attempt some psychological warfare of his own, then. To help the cause.

He looked at the Chief Warlord of Faq and cleared his throat.

"Royalty is obsolete!" he said loudly.

Those words, in his own voice, seemed the most unreal thing yet. The Warlord turned his head and regarded Ossomer. "What?"

"Royalty is obsolete!" repeated Ossomer, with even more conviction. "The mandate of the Titans that those of a Royal line should rule has been superseded!"

The Warlord stared at Ossomer for a long, long moment.

"So what?" he finally said.

Ossomer blinked. "Yours is a Royal side. You have a Queen."

The Warlord shrugged. "She's Royal. I popped in Jitterati. I don't give a stray bit of snot for Royalty." The Warlord glanced skyward, where the parley continued. "I've yet to see evidence that the Queen does, either."

Ossomer found this perplexing and annoying. He pulled his carpet away, frowned, then quickly turned back.

"Then why do you fight!" he challenged.

The Chief Warlord leaned forward in his perch-saddle. For the first time, a little smile crept into his otherwise blank face.

"To win," he said simply.

"You can't win!" shouted Ossomer. His arm swung out, and he pointed behind him without breaking eye contact. "Look at the forces before you!"

The smile broadened, and the Chief Warlord shrugged. "You're really high-strung, you know that?"

He leaned back in his saddle. "We'll win," the man said, with perfect serenity. "I doubt it will even be close."

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the_tick_rules wrote:
Wanda could always dissolve her alliance if she makes it and she doesn't like that right?


That assumes Wanda could survive without a side to serve, which isn't necessarily a safe assumption (if she could, why didn't she break free of Stanley right after tBfGK?).
splintermute wrote:
That assumes Wanda could survive without a side to serve, which isn't necessarily a safe assumption (if she could, why didn't she break free of Stanley right after tBfGK?).


Just because she didn't break with Stanley doesn't mean she couldn't make it on her own. It'd really only require some quick raiding to pay for her own upkeep and keep her forces entirely 0-upkeep decrypted. Not to mention the amazing war potential the Arkenpliers bring with them.

There are plenty of reasons why she's still with Stanley, and most of them are in resources he has exclusively. Parson and the Dwagons come to mind as valuable assets. If it means she can go out and conquer with even more can't-get-this-anywhere-else advantages, more power to that.


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Watsit Hoohow wrote:
splintermute wrote:
That assumes Wanda could survive without a side to serve, which isn't necessarily a safe assumption (if she could, why didn't she break free of Stanley right after tBfGK?).


Just because she didn't break with Stanley doesn't mean she couldn't make it on her own. It'd really only require some quick raiding to pay for her own upkeep and keep her forces entirely 0-upkeep decrypted. Not to mention the amazing war potential the Arkenpliers bring with them.

There are plenty of reasons why she's still with Stanley, and most of them are in resources he has exclusively. Parson and the Dwagons come to mind as valuable assets. If it means she can go out and conquer with even more can't-get-this-anywhere-else advantages, more power to that.


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It's not an upkeep issue - it's that she's not an overlord or an heir. If she breaks off, unless the pliers protect her somehow, the game mechanics dictate that she should just disband (unless she does it in the Magic Kingdom). Otherwise there's no reason Sizemore or Maggie or Jack couldn't just go solo whenever they want.
splintermute wrote:
the_tick_rules wrote:
Wanda could always dissolve her alliance if she makes it and she doesn't like that right?


That assumes Wanda could survive without a side to serve, which isn't necessarily a safe assumption (if she could, why didn't she break free of Stanley right after tBfGK?).


Good point, I hadn't thought of that. I guess she couldn't ally but she'd need to join Faq huh? It's so hard to assume things with these two. Wanda and Jillian have a super complex relationship. We would also have to guess what Charlie would think of crusin with Wanda?
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Sinrus wrote:
The PROBLEM is that dusting Ansom wouldn't really solve any problems. Wanda would still be able to croak Slately and end Jetstone, and Charlie wouldn't be any closer to regaining his confidentiality.


The reason it solves CHARLIE'S problems, is that his highly identifiable unique units will be seen actively opposing GK, and specifically Wanda's decrypted troops. Voila! His reputation with his principal market, the royals, is rescued. Your worry about his "loss of confidentiality" is I think, a non-issue for Charlie. He's been around long enough that whatever insights Parson may have gotten from the decrypted Archons are likely to have been out there anyhow, if not exactly common knowledge. The only danger lies in the fact that Parson is the one person that could put it all together enough to make it an issue, but that just means he's even MORE a desirable commodity for Charlie to acquire.

Which bring me to my OTHER theory of where the Archons are:
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Preparing to attack GK. This would give Charlie the exact same benefits as attacking Ansom, with the added bonus of possibly acquiring Parson, the mathamancy artifact, the Arkenhammer, some new casters, or any combination of the above. With such a large force of Stanley's dwagons with Wanda, and almost ALL of the decrypted troops as well, GK might seem like a pretty tempting, under-defended place to a guy with 600 mostly-idle Archons sitting around burning upkeep resources instead of bringing in the schmuckers. Any unit lost is merely reducing the upkeep, after all. Were it me, I'd probably think about hitting both GK and Ansom at once, wiping out two entire armies that are comparatively defenseless against air units at the moment (at least appearing so, with so many dwagons off with Wanda, and no confirmation whether Charlie knows Stanley has been augmenting his dwagons with the wild population). Take out, or even merely cripple, either one or both of these armies, and you eliminate Wanda's major threat in one masterful stroke. Even if you fail, you still demonstrate that your wares (superior war-related intel) are still highly desirable, and that you are a trustworthy contractor. It's a win-win-win scenario for Charlie on this one. If Jillian were to have some positive effect on the outcome back at Spacerock, it's mere icing on the cake, as far as Charlie is concerned.


As far as Jack spotting a veil, well Ansom and company are in a different hex now, aren't they? And as has been confirmed (thank you!), Charlie's turn comes before GK'S, so they had only to move into the adjacent hex, which it seems they might have with Jillian, and they are free to attack Ansom the second GK ends turn, by using the strategem originally conceived of by Ansom, allying with the RCC to share their turn. Jillian attacks Wanda, and Charlie attacks Ansom simultaneously. Q.E.D
Even if Jillian borks up her end of the "plan", Charlie's part has a very good chance of succeeding, so it's all win for charlie, again.

That Charlie is a bastard, isn't he? :mrgreen:
Hiai wrote:

The reason it solves CHARLIE'S problems, is that his highly identifiable unique units will be seen actively opposing GK, and specifically Wanda's decrypted troops. Voila! His reputation with his principal market, the royals, is rescued.

Will be seen by who?
The only units that would witness charlie attacking Ansom are either GK, or jetstone units that are going to disband once Slately is croaked... no one will ever see who croaked Ansom...
And really, saving Slately's boop from certain defeat will be FAR more worthwhile as even Slately could not keep up his false statements about charlie without looking like an absolute fool.

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Preparing to attack GK. This would give Charlie the exact same benefits as attacking Ansom, with the added bonus of possibly acquiring Parson, the mathamancy artifact, the Arkenhammer, some new casters, or any combination of the above. With such a large force of Stanley's dwagons with Wanda, and almost ALL of the decrypted troops as well, GK might seem like a pretty tempting, under-defended place to a guy with 600 mostly-idle Archons sitting around burning upkeep resources instead of bringing in the schmuckers. Any unit lost is merely reducing the upkeep, after all. Were it me, I'd probably think about hitting both GK and Ansom at once, wiping out two entire armies that are comparatively defenseless against air units at the moment (at least appearing so, with so many dwagons off with Wanda, and no confirmation whether Charlie knows Stanley has been augmenting his dwagons with the wild population). Take out, or even merely cripple, either one or both of these armies, and you eliminate Wanda's major threat in one masterful stroke. Even if you fail, you still demonstrate that your wares (superior war-related intel) are still highly desirable, and that you are a trustworthy contractor. It's a win-win-win scenario for Charlie on this one. If Jillian were to have some positive effect on the outcome back at Spacerock, it's mere icing on the cake, as far as Charlie is concerned.

Not a lot of problems here i think... but i do think it's wrong to assume that Charlie can dedicate that many forces to attacking GK...
Archons likely do not come cheap and charlie's only way of maintaining upkeep is through mercenary work... he may not getting any work from royls near GK, but he might still have business in other parts of the world... he must keep many of those archons working to keep paying for all of them. So he can't afford to pull them away from places where he's still getting business; not to mention we have no idea how many turns it would take them to move from the frutharest parts of the world to GK; so they might spend qquite a few turns not working and not paying for their upkeep. and i doubt he would loosen his own defences; he seems to greatly value security and thus would not want to rsik getting attacked while his archon defenders are away... all in all, i don't think charlie really has nearly as many archons that he can freely send out on personal vendettas as you might think

Furtharmore, charlie had no way of knowing how GK would act... without being able to get close to GK to see, he had no way of knowing if they were try a ground assault or an arial assault... so he had no idea that GK would be poorly defended from arial attacks. Not to mention that we don't even know how many dwagons GK has, or what kind of defences they have; while the dwagons might be away, the garrison could be full of anti-air defenders... and the capitol will benefit from Stanely's overlord and artifact bonuses... this makes it hard for him to know how to deploy his archons

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As far as Jack spotting a veil, well Ansom and company are in a different hex now, aren't they? And as has been confirmed (thank you!), Charlie's turn comes before GK'S, so they had only to move into the adjacent hex, which it seems they might have with Jillian, and they are free to attack Ansom the second GK ends turn, by using the strategem originally conceived of by Ansom, allying with the RCC to share their turn. Jillian attacks Wanda, and Charlie attacks Ansom simultaneously. Q.E.D
Even if Jillian borks up her end of the "plan", Charlie's part has a very good chance of succeeding, so it's all win for charlie, again.

IF charlie had his own units in the battle space, and had his own turn, then the other sides would know... they would not know that it was charlie in particular, but they would know that "someone" a third side in this battle was taking a turn... who ever normally would go first on the given day would notice that the day started and not on their turn and KNOW that there was a third force in the battle space.

Frankly, since no one mentioned an unknown third side being present in the battlespace and taking turns, we know that Charlie is not in the battlespace... the only way charlie could have archons in the area is if the archons were given to Jillian to command... unless Jillian can add anyone she wants to the alliance without the RCC's knowledge, in which case we would be talking about charlie being allied to the RCCII and sharing his turn with theirs...
Hiai wrote:

The reason it solves CHARLIE'S problems, is that his highly identifiable unique units will be seen actively opposing GK, and specifically Wanda's decrypted troops. Voila! His reputation with his principal market, the royals, is rescued. Your worry about his "loss of confidentiality" is I think, a non-issue for Charlie. He's been around long enough that whatever insights Parson may have gotten from the decrypted Archons are likely to have been out there anyhow, if not exactly common knowledge. The only danger lies in the fact that Parson is the one person that could put it all together enough to make it an issue, but that just means he's even MORE a desirable commodity for Charlie to acquire.

If they were common knowledge, Wanda or Misty or Stanley or hell, anyone on Hamster's side would've said so.

Hiai wrote:

Which bring me to my OTHER theory of where the Archons are:
Spoiler: show
Preparing to attack GK. This would give Charlie the exact same benefits as attacking Ansom, with the added bonus of possibly acquiring Parson, the mathamancy artifact, the Arkenhammer, some new casters, or any combination of the above. With such a large force of Stanley's dwagons with Wanda, and almost ALL of the decrypted troops as well, GK might seem like a pretty tempting, under-defended place to a guy with 600 mostly-idle Archons sitting around burning upkeep resources instead of bringing in the schmuckers. Any unit lost is merely reducing the upkeep, after all. Were it me, I'd probably think about hitting both GK and Ansom at once, wiping out two entire armies that are comparatively defenseless against air units at the moment (at least appearing so, with so many dwagons off with Wanda, and no confirmation whether Charlie knows Stanley has been augmenting his dwagons with the wild population). Take out, or even merely cripple, either one or both of these armies, and you eliminate Wanda's major threat in one masterful stroke. Even if you fail, you still demonstrate that your wares (superior war-related intel) are still highly desirable, and that you are a trustworthy contractor. It's a win-win-win scenario for Charlie on this one. If Jillian were to have some positive effect on the outcome back at Spacerock, it's mere icing on the cake, as far as Charlie is concerned.


Actualy, more of a win-lose-lose scenario.
1-For all that Charlie knows, Hamster can make his city explode as a freaking volcano at will. Sending troops into GK untill Charlie finds out what kind of trick was that is basicaly sending non-expendable troops to a meat burner. Plus Stanley has been making a new army of twolls and hobgobwins. They're not in the frontline with Wanda. So they're waiting in GK ready to rock out. Plus Sizemore and his army of golems. You just don't rush inside an enemy city if you don't know what's waiting inside.
2- Ansom has been advancing slowly and carefully. The chances that there were veiled archons on the way and he didn't notice them as he passed trough are basicaly zero.
3-If the attacks fail, Charlie has just lost a good chunk of his entire force. It doesn't matter if people trust him again, because he now doesn't have the means to answer contracts and keep his intelegence network working at full force. He can just pop one archon per turn! It would take hundreds of turns to recover!

Hiai wrote:

As far as Jack spotting a veil, well Ansom and company are in a different hex now, aren't they? And as has been confirmed (thank you!), Charlie's turn comes before GK'S, so they had only to move into the adjacent hex, which it seems they might have with Jillian, and they are free to attack Ansom the second GK ends turn, by using the strategem originally conceived of by Ansom, allying with the RCC to share their turn. Jillian attacks Wanda, and Charlie attacks Ansom simultaneously. Q.E.D
Even if Jillian borks up her end of the "plan", Charlie's part has a very good chance of succeeding, so it's all win for charlie, again.

As pointed out, other sides are aware of whose turn it is, so veiled archons waiting in ambush are a moot point unless they're under Jillian's control. Ansom isn't the kind of dude to go down whitout a good fight, and really, what does Charlie gains from taking him down? Nobody would see it. Nobody would pay for it. Wanda is the real target here. And she has several Warlord and Eyemancer eyes watching out for veiled ambushes.

Not to say that there isn't a trap in waiting, but it's too late for veiled archons to be a realistic possibility.

Archon rush is just not a viable tactic unless you have someone with a bracelet calculating the odds for you, as archons are not only expensive, they're slow as hell to replace when you have just one city.

Hiai wrote:

That Charlie is a bastard, isn't he? :mrgreen:

Meh, he's met his match. Hamster and Wanda are even more. After all, one was humiliated and humbled, the other is now the most scary force in Erfworld right now. 8-)
Sorry for asking, but does anyone know why the comic update is delayed ?

Is there a con or something else unexpected ?
Unfortunately, it appears that Erfworld is not yet lucrative enough to allow its creators to fully focus on it. Because of that, there will be an occasional day or two of schedule slippage here and there.

And I guess that's all to say about that. Mr. Balder said, back when Erfworld had its place on the OotS forums, that update schedules are not to be discussed. Makes some sense, as otherwise we'd be constantly bringing up the fact that this thing doesn't update as fast as we can turn pages.

EDIT: ....AND whaddaya know, the update is here!
Godsire wrote:
Sorry for asking, but does anyone know why the comic update is delayed ?

Is there a con or something else unexpected ?


I believe the question has been rendered moot.