Book 2 - Page 9

Book 2 - Page 9
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Django wrote:
Alle true, I never said Decrypted are sub-Erfworlders, I do think that creating them is an evil act, as free will is one of the basic human/being rights. The higher the unit the higher the potential for free will and intelligence it seems. Casters and Warlords are almost as free as real world humans, mind controlling them is evil, that they retain some free thoughts and emotions is at best only a mitigating factor.


The Casters again are the question- it certainly looks like they are the most autonomous people in Erfworld. Even Warlords are subjects to their higher-ups. And unlike Decrypted, not necessarily willing subjects.

But here there is a problem- it appears that there is no moral argument against killing all your pikers and decrypt them. They're not worse off, and will never go hungry again. Warlords may be a grey area, but again, they were servants of someone else anyway.

I don't know enough to make a case that decrypting casters is not evil, so your suggestion may be right. Apparently, casters, ruling Royals/Barbarian Chiefs and Charlie are the only moral agents in Erfworld and they really would lose something by decryption. I will have to wait and see what else we find out about the Decrypted.
ftl wrote:
However, Jack won't automatically heal until the start of GK's next turn. So if he's kept around the front lines, he's both useless and incapacitated AND in danger. I could see the rationale in saying "lets get him away from the front before Jetstone's turn starts." "Away from the front lines" would probably mean "safely in GK or a nearby GK city."


I'd really be surprised if Wanda didn't bring a couple of healing scrolls along with her on the expedition.
seans23 wrote:
ftl wrote:
However, Jack won't automatically heal until the start of GK's next turn. So if he's kept around the front lines, he's both useless and incapacitated AND in danger. I could see the rationale in saying "lets get him away from the front before Jetstone's turn starts." "Away from the front lines" would probably mean "safely in GK or a nearby GK city."


I'd really be surprised if Wanda didn't bring a couple of healing scrolls along with her on the expedition.


If they have any.

Do we really know where scrolls come from? We know that they can be gotten from the MK, but Wanda hasn't been to the MK since TBfGK. For some reason, I have this notion in my head that casters can use juice to make scrolls of spells they could cast, but neither Wanda nor Sizemore nor Maggie would be able to naturally cast healing spells. (Well, maybe they can, casters can cast outside their specialty...) I'm not sure whether that's textually supported or whether I'm just making that up.

Depending on how scrolls are made and what the options are for obtaining them, it might mean that GK doesn't have any appropriate scrolls. (Of course, we know that before TBfGK, GK had scrolls of all sorts of spells, but we don't know whether those have been restocked.)
Dr Quest DFA wrote:
Ansom a few pages back telling the casters to mount up.
{Snip}
it looks like Red/Scarlet and Wanda will be making a fighting retreat
{More snipping}
(though I wouldn't mind a close up of Red/Scarlet, just for vindication)


Okay, most outlandish theory of the day: What if ... brace yourselves ... you ready for this? ... nearly there ... here we go:

What if Scarlet was (and is) a caster?

Now, hear me out. In all the strips we've seen Scarlet in, do we ever hear her called a Warlord? Do we ever see her fighting/commanding? (not saying a caster cant fight/command, since we've witnessed both first hand, but she tends to hang back throughout the entire battle). She wasn't part of the leadership stack that Sizemore targeted. She realized the importance of the Arkenpliers and took them, lest they fall into enemy hands. She remains calm throughout the entire volcano-explosion; calmer than any other character we see. Also, as many Starwars fans will agree, Jek Tono Porkins was strong in the Force.

Oh, and as far as I'm concerned, her name isn't "Unaroyal Warlord", or "sHe-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named", it isn't "Red" (Edit: Although "Red" is a much better alternative than the two previously listed names!!) either: It's Scarlet.

...

Scarlet, Scarlet, Scarlet, Scarlet, Scarlet, Scarlet. :P
Django wrote:

Alle true, I never said Decrypted are sub-Erfworlders, I do think that creating them is an evil act, as free will is one of the basic human/being rights. The higher the unit the higher the potential for free will and intelligence it seems. Casters and Warlords are almost as free as real world humans, mind controlling them is evil, that they retain some free thoughts and emotions is at best only a mitigating factor.


But in a sense, Decryption seems to give the units a similar treatment as making them "pop" again- complete with Loyalty changes to their new side (the Arkenplier's wielder). Sure, Ansom seems a bit fanatical and devoted to Wanda, but is it so different than how he was when Loyal to Jetstone? I wonder. To which point a Decrypted and a highly loyal unit are different in matters of free will?
In any case, rebelling against orders or anything would disband them.

I don't feel Erfworld gives anyone much freedom, and Decrypting (past the physical changes and all) seems to simply assign a new side/loyalty to the units. Sounds very unethical for our world, but Erfworld isn't the same...
Atomic wrote:
What if Scarlet was (and is) a caster?

Now, hear me out. In all the strips we've seen Scarlet in, do we ever hear her called a Warlord? Do we ever see her fighting/commanding? (not saying a caster cant fight/command, since we've witnessed both first hand, but she tends to hang back throughout the entire battle).


We know Wanda was proficient with combat so it stands to reason that casters could fight. And they can lead units, even though they bring no leadership bonus.

BUT, we also haven't seen exactly Scarlet cast anything either. At the moment, she really was most probably just the Chief Warlord of Unaroyal for TBfGK, and now one of the Warlords of the Decrypted Horde.
Would one try to level a caster via combat? Is that how it works for them? Or is there just a universal leveling ladder?
Django wrote:
BLANDCorporatio wrote:

Spot most likely uses "pod-person" Ansom to refer to his strong convictions in the superiority of the Royal mandate. He's not the only one on the forums thinking that Ansom was a bit stuck up, which resulted in lots of (imo undeserved) Ansom-bashing.

However, whatever attribute can describe Ansom now, post-decryption, also applies to Ansom, pre-decryption, and vice-versa: Ansom lost nothing in terms of character by being brought back. Precisely because Spot and I DON'T fall into the trap of war, it looks to us that the Decrypted are not sub-Erfworlders.


Alle true, I never said Decrypted are sub-Erfworlders, I do think that creating them is an evil act, as free will is one of the basic human/being rights. The higher the unit the higher the potential for free will and intelligence it seems. Casters and Warlords are almost as free as real world humans, mind controlling them is evil, that they retain some free thoughts and emotions is at best only a mitigating factor.
That kinda brings up the whole question of free will in Erfworld, like the Wrigley example, and Parson's musings.

I'm not convinced anybody BUT Royalty, Casters and Barbarians have free will in Erfworld.
Well that's something. I'm not convinced anyone en Earth has free will.
DevilDan wrote:
Well that's something. I'm not convinced anyone en Earth has free will.


It's, at the very least, a lot less apparent. :P