Book 2 - Page 6

Book 2 - Page 6
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twhitt wrote:
I'm just going to throw in a last minute 2c.

Jack says, "[if] we use a flash to cover the casting, it'll do." He's shooting for the minimum possible juice expenditure to create the necessary results, which remain partially unrevealed as of just now. Presumably he meant that he's going to make some troops invisible while making decoys appear to be elsewhere. We know he's able to do this, as he did it in the mountain pass, with Stanley's dwagon. Making this seamless, and hiding even the fact that he was casting at all, seems to be within his power. He's just trying to not spend that much juice. He'll create the veil, but if anyone's looking at him while he does it, it'll be obvious he's done something and it'll spoil the surprise.

What Jack needs is a distraction, plain and simple. Something that would make everyone turn their head, if just for a short moment, while he's casting. Well, the flash mob does that just fine, nothing magical or special about it necessary. The lovely archons bare all, everyone glances that way for a free show, or to see what the fuss is about, or because they find it repulsive and wish to be offended. Who knows, any excuse will work. And everyone will turn when five flying, glowing, beautiful women form a flash mob. Does anyone here think they know anyone who wouldn't turn to look? Even for just a moment?

The distraction, however mundane, is all Jack needs to work unobserved. He's very good at what he does, we have plenty of examples of that. "The enemy can see nothing else in this hex" should be taken to mean "the enemy can see nothing else that's real in this hex, save the archons which I did not veil. Everything else they see is the veil." We're going to have a quick strike follow, and no one will see it coming now, even if they've turned away from the archons after only a few seconds.


It might just need a second or two to hide the actual GK troops and give them a shock

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Dancing Cthulhu wrote:

True, and fair, to just have a look, though I was also referring to the "check their breasts for deformities, and compare their shape, size, and "boob things" to her own" bit, I just don't know if I would trust a breast assessment at the distance shown here. Beyond "They look nice from here" or something like that. ;)


Maybe not the shape. But you could definitely work out the size, anything weird about them, and such. I asked her what she'd do if she saw a naked woman dancing in front of her. So yeah.

Dancing Cthulhu wrote:

And true, not overtly magical (no flashing lights and what have you) but the results still seem to suggest some magic should be involved. Mainly since the effect of the flash mob seems to be preventing the enemy from seeing anything in their opponents hex while it is active.


That works whether it's mundane or magical. If it's magical, there's a chance they could resist it. If it's mundane, there's a chance they could resist it. Presumably that chance is quite low. Parson may have run a calculation for him, on what the chances are of anyone looking at the army for the brief time it would take him to cast an illusion. If flashing was an unstoppable effect, they'd just lead with the archons. That means it has some limitations, and that they could possibly see something else.

Dancing Cthulhu wrote:

And none of it has to be explained - Jack just says "If we use a flash to cover casting" and Wanda just has to say "Form a flash mob". So "flashing" seems to be a tactic/ability/action with recognizable effects and certain outcomes. It seems from this page then that either a. certain units, maybe only when in a group/mob, have the ability to block the enemies view of a hex by using magic and a material component in the form of a bit of flashing or b. completely non-magical nudity (even at a distance) is so potent in Erfworld it is something leaders know they can use against their enemies with guaranteed results.


Jack explicitly says that he was on hand when someone smarter (Parson) invented it. Parson saw the sex appeal of the archons. He then thought of a tactical use for it. Others don't know about it, as Parson invented it. That suggests it's not a normal tactic from the rule book, not a magic with some recognizable effect, but just a rule abuse- archons are attractive because they're based off Charlie's angels, soldiers are weak willed and like to look at boobs, so that non magical effect can be used without expending any juice, and from a hex away.
Ytaker wrote:
Jack explicitly says that he was on hand when someone smarter (Parson) invented it. Parson saw the sex appeal of the archons. He then thought of a tactical use for it. Others don't know about it, as Parson invented it.

Jack was talking about the capture tactic, not the flash mob.
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Jack explicitly says that he was on hand when someone smarter (Parson) invented it. Parson saw the sex appeal of the archons. He then thought of a tactical use for it. Others don't know about it, as Parson invented it.


Their is no guarantee that parson came up with this plan, for all we know it could be from back when he was with faq.
Zak3056 wrote:
Ytaker wrote:
Jack explicitly says that he was on hand when someone smarter (Parson) invented it. Parson saw the sex appeal of the archons. He then thought of a tactical use for it. Others don't know about it, as Parson invented it.

Jack was talking about the capture tactic, not the flash mob.


Was he? Ah.
That picture is just wrong Cynic.
I personally think the flash mob does involve magic/juice or at least some sort of natural documented magic effect similar to how Book 1 shockomancy was illustrated by actions from our world. (Jack used a bit of Archons juice help to conserve his own)

I am guessing that everyone knew about a flash spell, and a displacement spell, and how a disable and a capture work, but Parson tuned it into slick combo: 5 flash spells to reduce chance of missing anyone, to cover the displacement, then enemy suddenly is distracted by Ansom suprise disabling of target then running away and archons sneak in to grab the prize.
Ytaker wrote:
Maybe not the shape. But you could definitely work out the size, anything weird about them, and such. I asked her what she'd do if she saw a naked woman dancing in front of her. So yeah.


I'd agree on size, and maybe rough shape, but I guess it would depend on the "deformities".

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Jack explicitly says that he was on hand when someone smarter (Parson) invented it. Parson saw the sex appeal of the archons. He then thought of a tactical use for it. Others don't know about it, as Parson invented it. That suggests it's not a normal tactic from the rule book, not a magic with some recognizable effect, but just a rule abuse- archons are attractive because they're based off Charlie's angels, soldiers are weak willed and like to look at boobs, so that non magical effect can be used without expending any juice, and from a hex away.


Zak3056 addressed the plan part.

And page 7 seems to clear a lot of this up - Jetstone's forces, or at least some of the more canny ones, are fully aware of what a flash mob is and what it does. We can see what look like actual flashes of light, and indeed nothing at all can be seen in the hex the flash mob is covering, and as troops leave it they become visible again (in this case the illusory ones). It seems magic is definitely an aspect of the flash mob.
MarbitChow wrote:


Which is why I'm trying to figure out what the assumptions are.

We see the bats using "Scouting" as an ability (VInnie looking through their eyes). But we see Jillian 'scouting' by moving through hexes and sending reports. Scouting is a magical ability, and it also is a mundane action.


Aye. It's explained as 'Natural Thinkamancy' in one of the Klogs; units don't actually return and report back.

MarbitChow wrote:
We see Twolls using "Fabrication" (special ability), but we're also pretty sure that, given basic materials, Parson could 'fabricate' something.


Which, IIRC, is Natural Dollamancy.

MarbitChow wrote:
So the real question, which it doesn't look like we're ever going to settle conclusively, is whether the Flash Mob is "Shocking", or just shocking / distracting; also whether the Archons are "Stunning", or just *stunning*. :D


The answer, of course, is all 4. xD
I posted this in the Page 7 thread, but it's applicable here too.

People are over-thinking and analysing things. We all should know now that Rob deals in PnP for wrtting Erfworld (Puns and Parallels) Erfworld has weird parallels with Earth. Book 1, Page 11, Panel 4 shows Maggie casting a spell to counteract Parson's fatigue. She said 'Ephedra' to cast it. Ephedrine in our world is commonly used as a stimulant which can counter fatigue. When Sizemore went to rescue of Wanda after she had been zonked during the siege of GK, Sizemore did a 'Pull my Finger' to make a golum explode. 'Pull my finger' is a oft (overused) fark joke on Earth. The Archon's Flash Mob showing their, um, assets to the opposing hex was simply a somatic component of the spell/ability.

And the Dittomancer may have "Doubled his pleasure." to "Double his fun". And perhaps he was seeing things in double.


(Sorry couldn't resist. :D )