Prologue - 027

Prologue - 027

Turns since TBfGK: 54

CharlsNChrg: People are talking.

LordHamster: Are they?

CharlsNChrg: They are talking about talking. About the talking you're doing.

LordHamster: Me? I'm not talking to anybody.

LordHamster: I'm not even sure we're talking right now.

LordHamster: What are you talking about?

CharlsNChrg: I'm talking about the talking your Prince Ansom has been doing.

LordHamster: Um, it's just "Ansom" now. He's pretty touchy about that.

CharlsNChrg: Yes...

CharlsNChrg: Anyway he's been talking. As in, not fighting. That's very interesting.

LordHamster: You know what's interesting? Twolls can make parchment.

LordHamster: And if you tell them to make it really, really thin, you have a pretty decent Kleenex.

CharlsNChrg: If I understand correctly, you haven't taken a city in more than ten turns.

LordHamster: Not to mention toilet paper. I'm so HAPPY! XD

LordHamster: Yeah we haven't lost one, either.

CharlsNChrg: What I am saying is, your Chief Warlord Ansom has ceased to conquer, and has been looking for allies.

CharlsNChrg: It seems he is trying to drive a wedge in the Coalition.

LordHamster: That would be smart, but no.

CharlsNChrg: No?

LordHamster: I mean yeah we're up against the diminishing Shmuckers point, so it's a good time to pause and do diplomacy. But Ansom's not about that.

LordHamster: He's trying to convert the entire Coalition to ...Toolism or whatever you'd call it.

CharlsNChrg: Ah. I see.

CharlsNChrg: Even after Unaroyal?

LordHamster: Yup.

LordHamster: Can't let something like that stop the Good News, brother!

LordHamster: You should be happy, though. Right? You're a Tool.

CharlsNChrg: I'm nobody's tool, Parson.

LordHamster: Oh? Not even the Titans?

CharlsNChrg: ...

CharlsNChrg: We'll see.

LordHamster: So you really don't buy into this big idea that attuning is a "new Titanic mandate?" Even though you're attuned.

LordHamster: That is interesting, Charlie. Almost more interesting than toilet paper.

LordHamster: Though my ass would disagree.

LordHamster: Stanley and Wanda seem to have this feeling that they're doing the Titans' will. But you don't think you are?

CharlsNChrg: It's possible. I suppose.

CharlsNChrg: But it seems at least as likely that they are choosing their own meaning. Writing their own narrative.

CharlsNChrg: It seems entirely plausible to me that attunement to an Arkentool has nothing at all to do with the will of the Titans.

CharlsNChrg: It is a dubious claim, in my view. And it is falsifiable.

LordHamster: Really? How?

CharlsNChrg: Simple. Croak a "Tool."

CharlsNChrg: If an attuned wielder of an Arkentool were to croak, it would seem to be pretty compelling evidence that the Titans were not on their side. Don't you think?

CharlsNChrg: Perhaps it's an experiment that ought to be carried out.

LordHamster: Oh, Charlie...

LordHamster: I know business sucks, but that's no reason to start talking about suicide.

CharlsNChrg: ...

CharlsNChrg: Parson, is it actually your goal to make me hate you more every time we chat?

LordHamster: Me? I'm just talking.

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Heh, anybody else see a Majora's Mask moment coming with some of these arkentools?
Lightbender wrote:
Heh, anybody else see a Majora's Mask moment coming with some of these arkentools?


What do you mean?
Zerohour wrote:
Hm... I'm still not sure what the diminishing Schmuckers point is, but I'm guessing that it's something along the lines of the point where upkeep=production, so further production of troops would reduced or eliminated until they have more cities to fund the war effort. Stanley's been collecting dwagons for awhile, and the various cities have probably been popping more units, so their upkeep is probably getting to that point, until you factor in that Decrypted units have no upkeep. Still, they are probably 60% to 80% of the way to the diminishing Schmuckers point, so it could become a valid concern soon.
Yeah but the diminishing shmucker point would mean they should take more cities, not slow down. Well at least normally, but since GK gets stronger when they attack so the "extra" upkeep might be more than the increased income of a ruined city. Of course there is no such thing as upkeep for the decrypted so its still just a lie.

So the camps are
Diminishing Shmuckers means the percent increase is small. An extra city here or their doesn't matter.
Diminishing Shmuckers refers to "upkeep" somehow. Either the decrypted have more upkeep then the cities gained or the garrisons needed aren't worth it for ruined cities and they need to rebuild. This is nothing more than a lie as the decrypted don't do upkeep.
Diminishing Shmuckers means more cities have less and less income. The first city makes a bunch and the 23rd makes a tiny bit. This means ruling the world is hard if your just one kingdom. You need an alliance.

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-Croak Charlie. Possibly the best option, especially if Parson shares what he knows with other Sides. Charlie has only one city as opposed to GK's dozen or more cities, the majority of his forces are scattered across the globe instead of being readily available, and his Mode of Operation can be exploited (Buy som Archons at full service price and use them to attack the city. Buy nearby Archons and send them off on distant missions, etc.)
The archons won't attack. Duty and all that jazz, they will protect Charlie against his orders. It would go something like this...
RCCII: Attack Charlie!
Archons: No can do.
Charlie: Attack Charlie Archons!
Archons: Yeah please forgive us, but we're going to roast the RCCII now.
Charlie: I'll be sure to send you a full refund. Sorry about that.

They can though send the archons away or croak them. Possible fodder for uncroaking even.
Lamech wrote:
So the camps are
Diminishing Shmuckers means the percent increase is small. An extra city here or their doesn't matter.


However, even then the 20th city adds just as much in real terms to GK's production as the 2nd city.

Also, if you have twice as many cities, then you should be able to maintain twice as large an army, so you could take twice as many cities in the same amount of time.

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Diminishing Shmuckers refers to "upkeep" somehow. Either the decrypted have more upkeep then the cities gained or the garrisons needed aren't worth it for ruined cities and they need to rebuild. This is nothing more than a lie as the decrypted don't do upkeep.


Another option here is that there is a sliding scale as you spend more and more per turn.

This could be based on the number of units your side has.

This could explain why Charlie only has Knight class units. If the corruption scales with the number of units, then best to have a small number of powerful units rather than a large number of weak units.

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Diminishing Shmuckers means more cities have less and less income. The first city makes a bunch and the 23rd makes a tiny bit. This means ruling the world is hard if your just one kingdom. You need an alliance.


Another possibility is that the level of the city manager matters. GK doesn't have enough high level warlords to cover all their cities ... though I guess with all the decrypted warlords, this wouldn't be an issue.

It really doesn't matter how the method works, all that matters is that larger sides take a penalty for being large sides.

The decrypted army, however, counts as off the books. Thus for nearly any metric, they will push up the equilibrium number of cities additional cities aren't worth taking. Worst case, taking the city prevents it being used by the enemy.
Menlo Marseilles wrote:
Please don't take this the wrong way, but given all the foregoing speculation ITT I feel the need to post this.

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*slinks away*


whoo Epilectic Tree, where did that come from?
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What do you mean?


I literally meant the character Majora's mask. The pliers come to life and take over Wanda's body >:)
doran wrote:
Menlo Marseilles wrote:
Please don't take this the wrong way, but given all the foregoing speculation ITT I feel the need to post this.

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*slinks away*


whoo Epilectic Tree, where did that come from?

Run! It's a Territorial Oak! *hides*

No, really, that's the sprite for an enemy (called the Territorial Oak) in EarthBound for SNES. It actually moves a lot slower in the game, though. It is a tree, after all.

And I do hope that Charlie does realize that Parson's got his number. And that number is-
- a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

I left alone my mind was blank
I needed time to think to get the memories from my mind

What did I see can I believe that what I saw
that night was real and not just fantasy

etc ...
Just a thought...

I think people are over thinking the whole 'diminishing Schmuckers point'...

I think it's a total head fake...
Unless I missed something in previous updates no other side is aware the GK had a HUGE income boost the end of Book 1...
And has it been established that other sides know that decripted has no upkeep?

Because if these facts are still a secret then the other sides would be under the assumption that GK would be very close to their natural expansion point... Having the money for upkeep and troops...

And the 'New Titanic mandate' seems to be just a classic stall to consolidate armies to get them talking/fighting (divide and conqueur)...

:)
"Diminishing shmuckers" is just Parson's Erf version of "the point of diminishing returns." Nothing more, nothing less. More cities means more administrative problems, more work in overseeing and defending them, more time lost in moving to attack, etc. "Don't grab more than you can hold" is an important lesson for would-be conquerors.