Epilogue 21 - Vinny

Epilogue 21 - Vinny

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Faq has a couple of weaknesses that could be exploited, but Transylvito is probably in no position to exploit either. The first is mountain-capable heavies, like the Western Giants. If Charlie were to decide to destroy Faq, the Western Giants would be an ideal force to do so, given their lack ground defenses. The other weakness is tunnels. Faq can be approached by tunnel. Assuming Gobwin Knob ever manages to get any Gobwins, that would be the best assault route, especially since they have tunnel-capable heavies in Golems and Spidews. Given how heavily Faq is geared towards repelling an aerial assault, a tunnel assault would probably be very effective.
Lipkin wrote:
I think it's worth pointing out that while Trem's orientation has been alluded to and subtexted like hell, this isn't what his father took issue with. No one ever said to Trem "You have nooky with other guys, and that makes you unfit to lead." The problem, in his father's eyes, is that Trem didn't have the Signamancy of a warrior. He was slight, cheerful almost to a fault, friendly and fun loving. Trem is a classic guile hero, not an action star like his brothers. And that's why Slately had a problem with him, before coming around and seeing things in a new light. We still don't have proof that male/male nooky and relationships are looked down upon.


Excellent! I'm glad to see someone posting what I intended to post. It's nice to be ninja'd on occasion.

To reiterate and supplement: In all the interactions between Ossomer and Tremminis, I saw no hint at all that Ossomer saw his brother as anything other than a brother. With all the love and rivalry and ball-busting and jokes that typically go along with that.

Nor did I see anything from Slately which suggested that Trem being "fabulous!" was in any way an issue between them.

I'd also like to point out that we really don't have any pure lesbians in this comic, which I feel supports my position regarding the natural evolution of sexuality in Erfworld. Jillian is clearly bisexual, what with her relationships with Merica, Wanda, Ansom, and Vinnie. And while you could argue that Wanda was just using her feminine whiles when she seduced Stanley, she still pitched him a lay and Stanley was seemingly convinced that it was a genuine coupling and not just a pity fuck or designed to manipulate him, despite the manipulative subtext.

Bisexuality would be the natural outcome of a universe in which there is no religion decrying homosexual love, or all the other things regarding sexual conduct which we suffer from in Stupidworld being absent from in Erfworld. I have to admit that the majority of sexual connotations have been hetero love. But then again our protagonist is Parson, who is from Stupidworld and who is pretty clearly a heterosexual male. Parson saying "humina" while visiting the neglige clad archons. Plenty of Maggie/Parson shipping moments. Maggie suggesting that Parson 'use' the archons. Were Erfworld to be as I think it should be given it's freedom from the so many sexual shackles which I feel we Stupidworlders suffer from, then Maggie might have suggested to Parson that he enjoy the company of a stabber. There's even a joke in there if you look hard enough and forgive the poor quality of the joke enough... :roll:
Arky wrote:
I feel like Caesar's plans for FAQ are an adjunct to a plan to supplant Don, not a case of Caesar planning to spin off his own side. Caesar's sense of worth is tied up in him being the heir to Transylvito. He wants Transylvito, not the "crazy broad's" land. He might be planning to use the resources of FAQ or to take FAQ after he takes TV... unclear.

From the way Bunny is obviously trying to influence Vinny against Jillian before he ever gets Caesar's note, I'd say Bunny has definitely talked to the Great Minds (although Caesar probably doesn't know yet).


There's a reason Rob left the subject of the conquest vague by saying "plans to conquer SIDE "

Yes, Caesar had been talking previously about FAQ and thus it would imply that FAQ is the side in question...but... both Caesar and vinny belong to one SIDE and subjects of a side when they refer to side as opposed to "A side" or "The side" imply an "our side".

There are a few layers to the ambiguity as is usual with Rob's writing. For example did Caesar leave it ambiguous because the hat message might be intercepted or did he leave it ambiguous to test Vinny's loyalty since he knows any message to Don is likely to come through to Bunny..it even gives him the excuse of Vinny misunderstanding the note should it get to the ears of Don, if it infact is a request to conquer TV. Plausible deniability
Caesar as a warlord making plans to conquer FAQ is not treasonous, if that same side has just shown their untrustworthiness. It is only treasonous if he goes ahead with those plans against the wishes of Don King.
Werebiscuit wrote:

Yes, Caesar had been talking previously about FAQ and thus it would imply that FAQ is the side in question...but... both Caesar and vinny belong to one SIDE and subjects of a side when they refer to side as opposed to "A side" or "The side" imply an "our side".


Personally, that is how I read it first time. "(I) plan to conquer (our) side." However, it does have both readings.
Werebiscuit wrote:
For example did Caesar leave it ambiguous because the hat message might be intercepted or did he leave it ambiguous to test Vinny's loyalty since he knows any message to Don is likely to come through to Bunny..it even gives him the excuse of Vinny misunderstanding the note should it get to the ears of Don, if it infact is a request to conquer TV. Plausible deniability.
He did it because he's drunk. The deniability is far too plausible to be deliberate. If he really felt there was doubt about his meaning, then they wouldn't be effective orders for Vinny. How is Vinny supposed to know what Caesar wants? Immediately after talking about Faq it makes a lot of sense that "side" would refer to Faq. I agree that it would also make a lot of sense for Caesar to be asking for a list of what Faq could provide in support of his attempt to conquer Transylvito, but I have doubts that Caesar would want to kill Don, and I have doubts that Caesar would use the word "conquer" if he meant killing Don.
He's asking for a plan to conquer FAQ. Which to be fair, since Vinny currently can order the military its a simple matter of "move all units to wall, break alliance". Also I agree with the Bunny corruption. Maybe not by the great minds, but her response was too perfect. She is undermining Jill.
Lamech wrote:
He's asking for a plan to conquer FAQ. Which to be fair, since Vinny currently can order the military its a simple matter of "move all units to wall, break alliance". Also I agree with the Bunny corruption. Maybe not by the great minds, but her response was too perfect. She is undermining Jill.

Probably. All the commanders of Transylvito minus Don (and Vinny who's been away) are very unhappy with that investment.
That's one way to get their loan back.
The note doesn't say anything about letting Don know about the special request itself. Just the results of it. So Vinny could still tip Don off, if he felt so inclined. I don't know if Vinny is suspicious of Caesar though, or would find the request suspicious.
Beeskee wrote:
The note doesn't say anything about letting Don know about the special request itself. Just the results of it. So Vinny could still tip Don off, if he felt so inclined. I don't know if Vinny is suspicious of Caesar though, or would find the request suspicious.

Good call. That would be interesting. "Don, I have some bad news. It appears that Ceaser is planning on conquering FAQ." Of course the more probable course of action is that he'll try and use Bunny and that will tip Bunny off. Then one suggestion later Don will say "He's probably just being proactive! He does that sometimes. I'm sure we have nothing to worry about. :)"