Epilogue 06 - Parson and Maggie Discuss Matters

Epilogue 06 - Parson and Maggie Discuss Matters

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Tonot wrote:
Well, people fought on after taking nerve damage that would completely incapacitate them if the nerves were functioning.
Erfworlders are more durable than Stupidworlders, but that's hardly evidence that they're not using their nerves and blood vessels. Injuries do weaken them. See Book 0, Episode 47 for Jllian fighting the tannenbaum while injured.

Tonot wrote:
They fought on with a big part of their body chopped away, one of whom had a cut that would have chopped clean through the vagus nerve, and I was told by my Sensei that that one would drop any person dead at your feet.
I'd like to see that. Does anyone know which page that's on?

Tonot wrote:
One group took fire which charcoaled them, and the ones it didn't kill, were able to talk rationally and see clearly, though if they had nerves which functioned as nerves, and eyes as eyes, they would have been dopey from shock and blind.
Maybe his eyes weren't as burned as they appear to be. As I understand shock, it's caused by either damage to the heart, infection, or loss of blood. Loss of blood clearly isn't an issue. We know that diseases exist in some form in Erfworld (see Book 0, Episode 16 where disease is mentioned), but we've never seen any details of that so it's surely not something that happens normally as a result of battle wounds. It probably requires magic.

Tonot wrote:
Another thought is, things like cloth golems do not have circulation, they have stitching and stuffing instead, but their functions, hit-points and hit-point losses, seem to be of the same order as human/people ones.
That's to be expected since golems are an entirely different kind of thing; they are made by people. If I ever saw a robot acting like a person, I wouldn't think for an instant that it meant that I could do without my heart just because the robot has no heart.

Tonot wrote:
Are the stitching and stuffing "Functional" or are they just, as veins muscles and nerves might be functionless kind of arbitrary "rules" for Wanda's discipline, functionless kind of arbitrary "rules" for the Dollmancers disciplines?.
If they are required to make the golem move then they're clearly not functionless.
Lilwik wrote:
Tonot wrote:
Maybe Wanda having to know about, and consider things like circulation, nerves, muscles, veins even though they don't seem to be actually vital to an Erf-worlders functioning , is just kind of arbitrary "rules" for her discipline.
If Wanda needs to tend to those things to create uncroaked units, then they must be vital to the functioning of the uncroaked, and it would be bizarre for the uncroaked to be the ones dependent on circulation while the living don't need it. What makes it seem that it's not vital to Erfworlders functioning?

Parson needed to patrol the city in order for it to receive the warlord manager's bonus. For some reason he needed to walk through the city to make the magic work. Organs and other such internal things could be the same way.
Lipkin wrote:
Parson needed to patrol the city in order for it to receive the warlord manager's bonus. For some reason he needed to walk through the city to make the magic work. Organs and other such internal things could be the same way.
They could be, but are you going to actually guess that they are? It seems quite unlikely. Plus, even if internal organs worked that way it wouldn't mean much because they would still be just as important. Just as Parson needs to examine the empty bank, Jillian needs her heart to keep beating, and she croaks if it doesn't. Whether her heart is like Parson and the bank or not, it's still exactly as vital to her survival.
Lilwik wrote:
Lipkin wrote:
Parson needed to patrol the city in order for it to receive the warlord manager's bonus. For some reason he needed to walk through the city to make the magic work. Organs and other such internal things could be the same way.
They could be, but are you going to actually guess that they are? It seems quite unlikely. Plus, even if internal organs worked that way it wouldn't mean much because they would still be just as important. Just as Parson needs to examine the empty bank, Jillian needs her heart to keep beating, and she croaks if it doesn't. Whether her heart is like Parson and the bank or not, it's still exactly as vital to her survival.

She needs her heart to keep beating, but maybe getting a spear shoved through it wouldn't be fatal. We know Wanda needed to fix the organs and whatnot to uncroak Tommy, but that could just be the way the magic works, and he doesn't actually need it to function.

*Shrug*

Just trying not to assume.
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Lilwik wrote:
Tonot wrote:
They fought on with a big part of their body chopped away, one of whom had a cut that would have chopped clean through the vagus nerve, and I was told by my Sensei that that one would drop any person dead at your feet.
I'd like to see that. Does anyone know which page that's on?.


I can't find the shot of the guy coming forward with the spear in his hand and no shoulder or arm on the other side, but I did see it. I think he was a warlord, and attacking the Archer lady with the dragons.

Lipkin wrote:
[Parson needed to patrol the city in order for it to receive the warlord manager's bonus. For some reason he needed to walk through the city to make the magic work. Organs and other such internal things could be the same way.


Yep, that is the point I was thinking of. Just have to be there, like ingredients or the lines on a pentagram or a sigil or something.
Tonot wrote:
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Lilwik wrote:
Tonot wrote:
They fought on with a big part of their body chopped away, one of whom had a cut that would have chopped clean through the vagus nerve, and I was told by my Sensei that that one would drop any person dead at your feet.
I'd like to see that. Does anyone know which page that's on?.


I can't find the shot of the guy coming forward with the spear in his hand and no shoulder or arm on the other side, but I did see it. I think he was a warlord, and attacking the Archer lady with the dragons.

I think it's Downer, on pages 50 and 51.
Tonot wrote:
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Lilwik wrote:
Tonot wrote:
They fought on with a big part of their body chopped away, one of whom had a cut that would have chopped clean through the vagus nerve, and I was told by my Sensei that that one would drop any person dead at your feet.
I'd like to see that. Does anyone know which page that's on?.


I can't find the shot of the guy coming forward with the spear in his hand and no shoulder or arm on the other side, but I did see it. I think he was a warlord, and attacking the Archer lady with the dragons.

Lipkin wrote:
[Parson needed to patrol the city in order for it to receive the warlord manager's bonus. For some reason he needed to walk through the city to make the magic work. Organs and other such internal things could be the same way.


Yep, that is the point I was thinking of. Just have to be there, like ingredients or the lines on a pentagram or a sigil or something.

I posted the page you are thinking of in my first post of page 6 of this thread. It's actually Antium.
Lilwik wrote:
Tonot wrote:
They fought on with a big part of their body chopped away, one of whom had a cut that would have chopped clean through the vagus nerve, and I was told by my Sensei that that one would drop any person dead at your feet.
I'd like to see that. Does anyone know which page that's on?
wih wrote:
I think it's Downer, on pages 50 and 51.
We've already seen that one on this thread. I'd like to see the one who is chopped through his vagus nerve! The vagus nerve goes down a person's middle from the brain to the heart and then the guts, so it would be very deep and deadly-looking chop, nothing so superficial as a missing arm. For a while I thought I remembered seeing him, but I can't seem to find him. He's nowhere around the food fight that I can see.
Just FYI, severing someone's vagus nerve wouldn't cause them to drop dead. If you cut it above the heart, you'd get some arrythmias, but cutting it in the abdomen wouldn't do much. Vagotomy used to be a common treatment for peptic ulcer disease :)
Lilwik wrote:
Lilwik wrote:
Tonot wrote:
They fought on with a big part of their body chopped away, one of whom had a cut that would have chopped clean through the vagus nerve, and I was told by my Sensei that that one would drop any person dead at your feet.
I'd like to see that. Does anyone know which page that's on?
wih wrote:
I think it's Downer, on pages 50 and 51.
We've already seen that one on this thread. I'd like to see the one who is chopped through his vagus nerve! The vagus nerve goes down a person's middle from the brain to the heart and then the guts, so it would be very deep and deadly-looking chop, nothing so superficial as a missing arm. For a while I thought I remembered seeing him, but I can't seem to find him. He's nowhere around the food fight that I can see.



I Googled and am surprised to see you are utterly right there, Sensei was wrong!. It was just something he used to say when lining up a cut, of course, he wasn't a Surgeon after all. I have been repeating it in simple minded trust all these years since.

Missing arm, superficial?. Your "being right" made a juddering, jumpy motion as it ran over a speed bump there!. :lol:

Having hit a few people in the place he was talking about, (halfway between the neck joining the shoulder, and the outer edge of the shoulder) and been hit a few times there myself, let me assure there is SOMETHING in there that is pretty vital to proceedings.