Book 2 - Page 84

Book 2 - Page 84
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Nnelg wrote:
Housellama wrote:
Wanda choose to deviate from Parson's plan of "Burn the city". She made a bad decision based on emotion and narcissism and GK got smacked down for it. She ignored the warnings from Parson, Ossomer and ignored her most recent interactions with Jillian and acted on blind arrogance. That's where the trouble started.

Well, talking to Jillian wasn't completely unsound from a tactical point of view. If not for Kingworld, it very well may have gotten Faq to abandon Spacerock without a fight, possibly even switch allegiances. And again, if not for Kingworld the consequences for failing to do so would have been slim; Wanda could have easily pulled back a hex or two (far out of LOS) and then tried the veil thing.

But never the less, I agree with the remainder of your message.


I realize that, as readers, we have hindsight and more perfect information. I also realize that Wanda has a lot of strong emotions regarding Jillian. That doesn't make it any less of a choice, and that choice any less of a mistake. Yes, there's the possibility that FAQ may turn, or that they would abandon the battle. However, talking to Jillian provides an emotionally charged environment in which she has already been shown to make bad choices, and that she had been warned against by two very capable Warlords. Decapitating FAQ immediately not only still removes them from the battle, but also removes an entire Side, a very troublesome one even without Kingworld, to boot without creating an environment primed for mistake-making.

The potential gain of talking to Jillian was far outweighed by the potential loss, and even at that time it was clear. Talking to Jillian was a bad tactical decision. The reasons she gave were simply justification for a choice she wanted to make no matter what the situation dictated.
Housellama wrote:
I realize that, as readers, we have hindsight and more perfect information. I also realize that Wanda has a lot of strong emotions regarding Jillian. That doesn't make it any less of a choice, and that choice any less of a mistake. Yes, there's the possibility that FAQ may turn, or that they would abandon the battle. However, talking to Jillian provides an emotionally charged environment in which she has already been shown to make bad choices, and that she had been warned against by two very capable Warlords. Decapitating FAQ immediately not only still removes them from the battle, but also removes an entire Side, a very troublesome one even without Kingworld, to boot without creating an environment primed for mistake-making.

The potential gain of talking to Jillian was far outweighed by the potential loss, and even at that time it was clear. Talking to Jillian was a bad tactical decision. The reasons she gave were simply justification for a choice she wanted to make no matter what the situation dictated.

Very well, you have convinced me, she could have made a better choice.

If not for Kingworld, though, in the scheme of things it would not have made much of a difference. And it wasn't "going rouge" from Parson's point of view, either. Even if she was subordinate to him at the time, she had command of the operation. That means that how she gets it done is up to her. She may not have made the best choice, but it isn't "going rouge" until she starts acting directly contrary to her assigned duty.


Kyrt wrote:
He is not likely to get past tGMtTA - so he talked rather than force a situation where he would be croaked.

Well, that doesn't apply when he was talking to Jojo, though.
Salem wrote:
I'm bigger than yooooou buuullll ruuuuuusshhh. Or Haaamsstaaard ruuuush.



I'm just... I'm just going to be giggling picturing that all day now.
Forgive me if this has come up already, but what are the chances that Isaac doesn't know where the scroll came from and reasonably assumed that it was from Charlie, or even that he flat-out lied to encourage Parson to think less in "Pro-Gobwin Knob" terms and more in "Anti-Charlie" terms?

The former seems entirely plausible to me, the latter very unlikely. Isaac doesn't seem the type to fib in that style. But he intentionally deceived Maggie, after all.

Of course, neither possibility precludes Isaac being right :P

On an old note, it was stated long ago that the Magic Kingdom had put a guard on the GK portal because of Parson, right? Does that mean that Jojo wasn't technically lurking? That he was actually being paid to stand there by other casters?
coyotenose wrote:
Forgive me if this has come up already, but what are the chances that Isaac doesn't know where the scroll came from and reasonably assumed that it was from Charlie, or even that he flat-out lied to encourage Parson to think less in "Pro-Gobwin Knob" terms and more in "Anti-Charlie" terms?

I doubt he lied, but a hasty conclusion sounds likely to me.
Isn't Issac a full Eyemancer? (He has low ranks in Foolamancy and Lookamancy, right?) If so, I think a lie would be totally possible. Do I want to believe it? No. But is it possible given the pairing of Think- and Fool-amancy? Yeah definitely.
0beron wrote:
Isn't Issac a full Eyemancer? (He has low ranks in Foolamancy and Lookamancy, right?) If so, I think a lie would be totally possible. Do I want to believe it? No. But is it possible given the pairing of Think- and Fool-amancy? Yeah definitely.

I thought he had master lookamancy and adept foolamancy. Kind of a badass.
Nnelg wrote:
Very well, you have convinced me, she could have made a better choice.

Wow. Wasn't expecting that. I guess I've been used to talking to some of the more... combative members of the community.

Nnelg wrote:
If not for Kingworld, though, in the scheme of things it would not have made much of a difference. And it wasn't "going rouge" from Parson's point of view, either. Even if she was subordinate to him at the time, she had command of the operation. That means that how she gets it done is up to her. She may not have made the best choice, but it isn't "going rouge" until she starts acting directly contrary to her assigned duty.

I could have used a better word. You are right, Parson wasn't CWL at that time, so technically she wasn't disobeying. Bad decision, but unfortunately for everyone (including her and Jillian), hers to make.
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Kyrt wrote:
He is not likely to get past tGMtTA - so he talked rather than force a situation where he would be croaked.

Well, that doesn't apply when he was talking to Jojo, though.


As a matter of act - it does. Jojo was a caster of unknown strength and school, and he was chasing Parson. Parson has no idea of his capabilities, nor his intent. As he couldn't escape - Jojo appears faster and a tunnel makes for an easy shot - confrontation was the only realistic option he had.

The main difference is that with facing just one caster, Parson has a greater chance of winning. Talking adds a delay, but avoids a confrontation which might end with him croaked. And a delay of some degree was inevitable once Jojo started chasing him.

Other options? He can't run, he can't escape, he can't hide. He either has to fight...which might croak him...or talk, which may or may not end with a fight which may croak him.

He has the same options vs Isaac and co, but more casters mean a much lower chance of winning.

If he has any other option available to him here, in either situation, I can't see it. Talk or fight are his only options...and fighting is the worst of those.
Agreed, mostly. Now he does have the advantage of being close - if he could surprise them and get moving quickly, he could possible bust his way through - but I wouldn't count on it one bit.