Book 2 - Text Updates 051

Book 2 - Text Updates 051

The booms and cracking came in regular volleys of three. The walls shook visibly. Ornaments fell. Plaster snowed lightly from the ceiling.

And in these moments, Countess Artemis and her Knights moved through the carpeted hallways.

Four steps per boom, then hold. Twelve steps' progress per volley.

Her stack would not be able to move freely for long. There were enemy soldiers in these halls (soldiers who had arisen this morning in Jetstone colors). But the Countess needed a vantage for her longbow, somewhere far enough away from the siege dwagons that she could take a distanced shot at whoever was leading them. Ideally, that would be the Croakamancer with the Arkenpliers, but her Knights had said she had not been spotted during Prince Tramennis' ill-fated charge. There had been action in the Portal Room, and it was speculated that she had already escaped to the Magic Kingdom.

Well, so be it. Artemis would simply shoot out the leadership of the purples, whoever that was. If the Croakamancer had fled, then at least she could lend no bonus to these Decrypted units. And it was that much less likely that Artemis and her Knights might arise in new colors themselves.

All she needed was a crit, and she could feel she had one in her.

Her stack progressed at last to a small servants' corridor looking in on the Atrium, with a remarkably clear view to the red-headed Warlady's flank. Artemis peeked at her counterpart. She rode the most powerful purple, directing sonic blow after blow upon the tower.

The redhead was a Level 6, so a crit was not unlikely. But she was reckless at best and foolish at worst. She had done nothing to protect herself from this angle (or her other flank, for that matter). A shot from here, Titans willing, might save the Kingdom. For they would rush to the King's aid in the confusion, and retrieve His Highness as the Prince had attempted.

Should she miss (admittedly likely) then they would have to rush in and engage that stack. Her orders she gave with hand signals backed by the clarity of her leadership.

I will shoot on the third volley

upon a crit, withdraw

upon a hit or miss, engage the warlord's stack and croak purples

once engaged, screen me for another shot

so long as any of you live, keep screening for my bow

Her Knights looked to her with the gleam of absolute faith, and nodded their understanding. She drew an arrow, nocked it firm.

The red-headed Warlord paused, and looked up. With a businesslike point, she ordered another volley. Two dwagons inhaled.

BOOM

The next pair of purples in the stack inhaled. The Warlord had not moved. Artemis drew back her bowstring.

BOOM

The second volley seemed to do an unusually serious amount of damage to the tower. Portions of the stonework slumped and flaked away.

But Artemis was not distracted. She could feel the range, the distance to her target in her shoulders and her arms. This would be the shot. The third pair of dwagons inhaled.

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Sitting upon his brother's carpet, Ossomer had been watching the tower top shake. He thought it odd to see men thrown about and shaken to their knees just a few feet away, though he could feel none of it.

His father, after a moment's initial panic, had taken to standing with his feet apart, hands on hips, looking to the horizon. Twice had the King stumbled, but he had yet to fall.

Ace was doing something with the Royal Scepter, with the Hat Magician close by. Pierce and the Dittomancer were arguing about something, and had once run into the main tower and returned.

Suddenly, a particularly violent blast shivered up the tower. A section of railing and part of the floor of the veranda crumbled away and fell.

In the unreality of the moment, Ossomer's only thought was for the fate of the odd-shaped stone tile he had been dwelling upon moments ago. Looking down, he could swear he spotted it in the falling debris.

He raised his head to the tower top's edge. Yes, it was gone.

The loss of it was...actually something to him. He looked again, unable to believe the stone wasn't there. Was that right?

It had been where it belonged, and now it wasn't. Was that fair?

He looked up at his father, who seemed oblivious to the shouts and rumbles and cracks around him. The stone tile was lost. The tower would crumble and fall.

A tear spilled over his eyelid, completely shocking him. Where did that come from? And where... And where would it fall? Did the Titans really know such things?

Inside him, the Tower Ossomer began to crumble as well.

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...BOOM

Headshot. Artemis released, and felt the arrow arc as true as any she had ever loosed upon enemy or game. Her bow fell to her side as she watched it with a rising smile of joy. This arrow would do the Titans' work.

Only now, in the context of the arrow's flight, did she pay heed to the debris that was falling around her target's stack. Glass, masonry and splinters of wooden beams were striking the ground in front of, and even among the enemy dwagons.

The arrow could only be seen as a tiny sliver from here, as it homed true upon her counterpart's red pate. But Artemis' eyes were keen as a superb owl's, and though it took her a moment to understand what she had seen, she did clearly see it happen.

Not two yards from its target, the arrow had struck a falling stone tile and deflected slightly. The redheaded warlord had seen it pass before her eyes.

And then the enemy commander turned her head, locked equally-sharp eyes with Artemis, and grinned.

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Taken from Text update 50, where "Duty" is stated by this... 'the Countess' internal bowstring had already snapped' which happened as she was observing the restacks of the 1s... she already said to herself 'Don't worry about whose they are right now' meaning each of the troops have an assignment, now that Trem was already incapacitated before she moved, she could effectively resume command of 'her units', so you are saying that is derelction of duty? In the military you keep ALL members of the same side no matter which unit belongs to whom, even though they have their own specific identity.


What you are not getting either through intentional or unintentional means is that she abandoned her assigned post and assigned troops for this battle to run down and retake control of her favorite troops. She left her post without orders or notifying anyone of authority WHEN she saw Tremenis start giving orders to HER knights, and was nearly down to the tower by the time he was brought out incapacitated. Now her assigned archers are without leadership, which may play a pivotal role in the coming events and she is leading a suicidal charge on only her own authority with damaged elite units into the teeth of GK's forces. In the military, quitting your post without properly being relieved is dereliction of duty, in a battle it also carries the charge of gross negligence and the minimum you will get is a dishonorable discharge and a quick trip back to the home block. Artemis is chasing personal glory and justifying it that she is doing this for the good of her side. If it was to save Slately, why did she not send one single soldier up to apprise the king of the situation and to tell him how urgently he needs to get out of the tower? Because that would not bring Artemis the glory of the battle for her single handedly saving her side. She is a loose cannon and a hazard to all she commands and any plans made by those above her IMHO.

Michael
MichaelR138 wrote:
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Taken from Text update 50, where "Duty" is stated by this... 'the Countess' internal bowstring had already snapped' which happened as she was observing the restacks of the 1s... she already said to herself 'Don't worry about whose they are right now' meaning each of the troops have an assignment, now that Trem was already incapacitated before she moved, she could effectively resume command of 'her units', so you are saying that is derelction of duty? In the military you keep ALL members of the same side no matter which unit belongs to whom, even though they have their own specific identity.


What you are not getting either through intentional or unintentional means is that she abandoned her assigned post and assigned troops for this battle to run down and retake control of her favorite troops. She left her post without orders or notifying anyone of authority WHEN she saw Tremenis start giving orders to HER knights, and was nearly down to the tower by the time he was brought out incapacitated. Now her assigned archers are without leadership, which may play a pivotal role in the coming events and she is leading a suicidal charge on only her own authority with damaged elite units into the teeth of GK's forces. In the military, quitting your post without properly being relieved is dereliction of duty, in a battle it also carries the charge of gross negligence and the minimum you will get is a dishonorable discharge and a quick trip back to the home block. Artemis is chasing personal glory and justifying it that she is doing this for the good of her side. If it was to save Slately, why did she not send one single soldier up to apprise the king of the situation and to tell him how urgently he needs to get out of the tower? Because that would not bring Artemis the glory of the battle for her single handedly saving her side. She is a loose cannon and a hazard to all she commands and any plans made by those above her IMHO. Michael

Again read the part about duty earlier on, "Regardless, she jumped to her Duty." So when does abandoning duty to do ones free will become an act of dereliction of that very same duty, which is preservation of the side? Who was there to GIVE those orders to which put it your light as "abandoning her post"? She gave the orders to her archery troops before departing. She has every responsiblity to Jetstone to do what she can to ensure the side exists. Things happen on the ground that the grunt troops experience, that most officers or commanders will never hear about. Hence, the disconnect between Ansom and Artemis is magnified even further. Trem stacked for max protection would be my best guess and he used her troops to provide him that, not that it did any good mind you. If Trem had not done HIS actions would Artemis's even be necessary?
Raza wrote:
BLANDCorporatio wrote:

Ossomer full-on turning to Jetstone is, imo, less probable, or rather, less probable to have a "happy" outcome. As far as Jetsonians are concerned, Ossomer is dead, and there's a weird lump of Erf-flesh which sorta looks like him floating above their city.


Naw, dude. Ossomer has to turn, to lead Jetstone's final stand in Dhrystone. This has been certain from the moment it first seemed like it would never happen.
I'd love Ossomer to turn ... barbarian. A zero upkeep barbarian who is only bound by lower-case duty and loyalty is probably the free-est a non-caster could get in Erfworld.
Quimper wrote:
Wow. Simply wow! I post one reply stating that i don't like the fact that book 2 has become a total repeat of book 1, i.e one side winning without any opposition to speak of, and then possibly a 180 in the end. And suddenly all the fanbois come out of the closet holding hands. If you don't agree, thats fine. I haven't attacked anyone before they attacked my opinion, which i'm sure i'm entitled to have. But then again. It's difficult to not tear your hair in anger if 100% of the readers aren't totally agreeing with you, having purple stars for eyes of a complete 100% boring winstreak, yes?


I mean, you stated your opinion, we stated ours. We both had a right to. If you can't appreciate that there are people who disagree with your interpretation when you criticize the work of art, then we can't have a calm discussion. Unless you're trolling, in which case calm discussions are off the table altogether.

Quimper wrote:
Facts: NO, they HAVEN'T lost a single important unit. Plotarmor protects characters from getting (rightfully) killed in the enemys turn, having crit-arrows strike them, dying from falling damage, etc etc ad nauseam. Yes, Ansom has been captured. He's protected from the "not even if he's killed, he's actually killed" deus ex so he's not likely to die anytime soon.


And who from RCC died in tBfGK until the end? Ansom didn't die until RCC's last turn in the faux parley, Vinny survived, Jillian survived (despite being captured at one point), Webinar didn't die until the tunnel action, Sylvia didn't die until TPK. That's, including Webinar, the last two turns of a siege. A single turn if you don't count him. In book two, we've seen two turns total, and that only because of Kingworld. Sylvia has been bucking the odds, yeah, but both she and Wanda got incapped by the airdrop, and we only know of three living units to survive the landing without being incapacitated (one of four possible options, those being no effect, damage, incapacitation of some sort, or croaking), the Gobwin Heavy, Captain Archer, and Jack. Wanda was incapacitated (unconscious) and Lady Lazarus was incapacitated (pinned). The probability that none were croaked/dusted was low, but entirely plausible. After all, Parson weighed it as acceptably likely to work. And that's assuming that all options are weighted equally. My guess is that there's a bell-curve of damage probability. Unlikely to do a lot or a little, very likely to do some. Plus, as described, Wanda's armor took a lot of damage for her, as well as (my guess) her dead Plated Red.

Quimper wrote:
For me. Book 1 was perfectly fine. The feeling of hopelessness until the end. I shared the Knob-fans sense of irritation when it seemed like the attacking side avoided every single one of Parsons plans by sheer plotwall. Book 2 on the other hand seems like a complete repeat of book 1, but with the sides switched. Thats not really interresting or new. To make up for the lack of allies, Goblin Knob instead gets an obnoixious item of "every time we win, we get their units as well" that seems like a broken game mechanic. Not even the veery handy satellite dish or the hammer (especially the hammer) seem to come close to it in terms of conquering the world, which this game is fundamentally about.


And that was what the summer updates were about. In Book Two, the decryption pwn-train derailed pretty damn hard. Queen Jillian was the immovable object to Wanda's unstoppable force, which is what Duncan sensed in the "titans are laughing" update. Besides, Trammenis acknowledges that GK's new riches (as we know, courtesy of Sizemore) could have beaten RCC2 without the 'pliers. Remember that before the food drop, (incidentally, that's the greatest metapun of all time,) most of those dwagons were living. The Archons and some other units couldn't have been obtained the normal way, nor Ansom, but they already had Parson. Ansom's leadership worked out real well compared to Parson's genius, didn't it?

Quimper wrote:
So keep your opinions about how fun it is to see the story repeat and one side singlehandedly winning all the important battles without fear of plans being messed up. But keep the trashtalk to yourself when someone doesn't agree that this is interresting.


Glass houses, stones.

Quimper wrote:
Yes, i will hang around to the inevitable 90% mark when the Knob will start to loose. I just hoped for a new story with a good twist. Not a rehasch of the last one.


This story is rapidly diverging from the last one. We're about to have open warfare in the Magic Kingdom, we've seen two exploits deployed in the last few hours, Parson is leading superior forces with artifact bonuses in a risky Fool's Mate, and paying for it by having Jillian torch some of his cities. Before, he fought like a guerrilla. Now he's fighting like General Patton.

Quimper wrote:
And no, this is a new account, but by no means a new reader. Im guessing the old account timed out or got lost if the forum changed, since the same name has analyzed and disected conspiracy theories about Charlie, the tools and strategies early on in book 1.


Bummer about your loss of Name, dude.
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again read the part about duty earlier on, "Regardless, she jumped to her Duty." So when does abandoning duty to do ones free will become an act of dereliction of that very same duty, which is preservation of the side? Who was there to GIVE those orders to which put it your light as "abandoning her post"? She gave the orders to her archery troops before departing. She has every responsiblity to Jetstone to do what she can to ensure the side exists. Things happen on the ground that the grunt troops experience, that most officers or commanders will never hear about. Hence, the disconnect between Ansom and Artemis is magnified even further. Trem stacked for max protection would be my best guess and he used her troops to provide him that, not that it did any good mind you. If Trem had not done HIS actions would Artemis's even be necessary?


Okay, by the numbers then

Do you think Artemis placed herself on the wall in charge of the archers there?

Was she ordered to leave that post?

Did she inform her superiors she abandoned her assigned post?

What part of her duty was it to see that no one but her stacked with her knights? That is implicitly stated as her reason for leaving her assigned battle station, which is defined as Dereliction of Duty.

That it puts her in position to now lead the charge is irrellevant to the fact she left her assigned battle station without relief and without telling anyone above her or making provisions for a lower level warlord to replace her. She left her duty station for a spurious reason as well, because someone else was playing with her toys and she did not like the ones she had been given to command nearly as much anyway. We have already seen from internal monologue that Artemis can justify just about any action of hers as "duty" but from firm observation it appears her "duty" is more to find personal glory then to following orders. Her actions have been rash and ill thought out. She has shown no concern for the main battle plan or her place in it and instead has moved off on a personal glory hunt where she can try and fight in a more small scale skirmish that more suits her disposition. I would not at all be surprised if something similar is how ForTheWin met an untimely end. Artemis is a terrible leader in the sense she is great at giving orders, but lousey at following ones that she does not like. She should either be on the wall or have sent someone up there. She should have gone after Slately or sent someone up there. She should have led a larger less damaged force against the purples, but that would not have brought her near as much glory as doing it with only the knights she personally trained. Artemis is the kind of glory hound that usually gets good soldiers killed chasing their own objectives and often fails at the ones they are assigned. As a higher commander you often just hope they don't get too many good troops killed when they die on some wild adventure instead of doing their duty as ordered.

Michael
MichaelR138 wrote:

What part of her duty was it to see that no one but her stacked with her knights? That is implicitly stated as her reason for leaving her assigned battle station, which is defined as Dereliction of Duty.


No. No it isn't. Not in Erfworld. Your Duty is a force that compels you to defend your side, even if that means disobeying orders. A Paladin would feel the pull of Duty much more than a bureaucrat, if Erfworld has them. She's derelicting her orders, yes, but she's acting in her idea of the interests of her side. Thus, she's doing her Duty.
The.Healing.Mage wrote:
MichaelR138 wrote:

What part of her duty was it to see that no one but her stacked with her knights? That is implicitly stated as her reason for leaving her assigned battle station, which is defined as Dereliction of Duty.


No. No it isn't. Not in Erfworld. Your Duty is a force that compels you to defend your side, even if that means disobeying orders. A Paladin would feel the pull of Duty much more than a bureaucrat, if Erfworld has them. She's derelicting her orders, yes, but she's acting in her idea of the interests of her side. Thus, she's doing her Duty.


Wrong because the reason she initially left her post had nothing to do with the betterment of her sides position, it was just that someone else was leading her knights into battle.

And your definition of duty would be anarchy on a battle field where every warlord was free to indulge their own whims and no one follows the orders given. Your duty is what compels you to follow your orders unless there is an URGENT need to disobey. At the point Artemis abandoned her post, there was no urgent need. There was just another warlord stacking with HER knights. That there became one by the time she got to the tower does not excuse her dereliction of duty. That she is choosing the way most likely to bring her personal flory over the way most likely to preserve her side only reinforces that she has very little concept of the term duty except to use as a reason to promote herself.

By your definition Webanar would have been doing his duty if he had shanked Jillian early in book one, or arrested her, or any of dozens of other things he wanted to do because he knew she was bad news for his side, but his duty forced him to follow Ansom's orders in regards to Jillian no matter how wrong he thought they were. We also have seen another character with low Duty and how she defends her actions. Wanda got her side wiped out, disobeys orders all the time, and generally indulges in whatever whim strikes her, always while defending her actions as duty to fate or some other clap trap. No one thinks they have low duty, they just find justifications for not doing their duty.

Michael
The.Healing.Mage wrote:
I mean, you stated your opinion, we stated ours. We both had a right to. If you can't appreciate that there are people who disagree with your interpretation when you criticize the work of art, then we can't have a calm discussion. Unless you're trolling, in which case calm discussions are off the table altogether.


Be fair - Quimper had just been accused of being a PlotArmor sockpuppet and a troll. A little defensiveness under these circumstances is understandable.
Lamech wrote:
Here is the thing, the dwagons can't be placed in the tunnels. So where should we put them? In the tower requires an attack.
Okay so what about the atrium? Well we can put them close to the tower or away from the tower. Away from the tower? Well then any archers deploying out of the tower can start well away from the dwagons. (Something Artemis spent time to do) And units can spread out out flank and surround the dwagons before engaging, giving them better positioning and reducing the effect of AoE's.


True, although I'm not sure of the state of the archers at the moment. Trem hasn't got them an order to continue to fire indirectly into the atrium or got them to move to a new location and then begin firing indirectly into the atrium again. So he must either have been planning on saving them, or a good chunk are out of arrows or... I don't know. Slately is planning to go to extremes to take down GK flyers, one would think if lots of archers were still available they would figure into the plan. At the time though coming under fire from archers doesn't seem to have figured into Wanda or Sylvia's desire to rush the tower.

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So the dwagons should be close to the tower. Okay so we have dwagons up close to the tower, should we attack or should we not attack? We should attack. It inflicts free damage to the tower. It has forced the hand of the king, forced the hand of Artemis reducing there options. It has removed Tram, and damaged knights.

So clearly we need to attack. The other option includes sitting next the tower wasting potential breathes, and sitting in the middle of the atrium to get surrounded, and swarmed. Maybe Sylvia didn't make the best tactical decisions about the details but I for one vote for not second guessing with our limited knowledge.


I'm not really saying attacking the tower at this stage doesn't make sense. Or couldn't be a good idea - as far as Wanda knows (who gave the order, and made certain Sylvia knew it was her order and that an order from Parson on the subject hadn't been given) Slately is up there with insufficient forces to safely evacuate via the airspace (she knows he has some pegatuars). He is essentially trapped in the tower unless he descends and leave on foot.

Killing Slately insta-wins the battle for them. So yes. I'm just questioning if it is being done in the best way to maximize chances while minimizing losses (and we know it has been done without consultation with Parson and his bracer - so we don't know what if the chance of toppling the tower was great enough to start with to warrant the quick attack) because what we do know for sure is that if Sylvia fails to kill the king and looses dwagons/heavies/knights/warlords in the process then the battle to come would be harder to win. Parson is heading there for a reason, and it was for that battle.

We don't know what the other dwagons are doing, all we know is Sylvia seems to have gone straight in with only purples (a weaker type) into a kind of unknown situation (since she couldn't have known what forces, if any, would be on the other-side of the big gate) which, with my imperfect knowledge of the atrium situation, seems riskier then it has to be, and could potentially result in GK having to try and win a far bigger battle with fewer dwagons and without whoever was riding them.

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Furthermore Artemis and Tram have also made the correct options. The tower is about to fall; leadership must be removed (so the dwagons break off and go for units). Tram had to rescue the king while their was still time. Yes they are really bad options, charging into dwagons and abandoning archers, but the other option was the king's death.


Agreed, for Artemis at least Sylvia has forces the issue - a direct counter action had to be performed otherwise the tower would be lost.

Oberon wrote:
Presuming (and since it isn't magic, this should be a safe presumption) that detecting a "stealthed" stack doesn't require warlords to detect, every GK unit in the atrium should have had a chance to detect Artemis's stack. I'm tending towards calling foul on new "standard" Erfworld rules being introduced into the story.


I'm not sure what units are left in the atrium other then dwagons, Wanda did call for anything tunnel capable to stack up. Maybe some heavies or something. I would guess it is no different to real world situations. Having lots of troops around will increase the chances someone will spot your special forces creeping between cover etc, but it doesn't make it impossible. Especially if all those troops happened to be looking the wrong way or something.

Plus, I have no idea of the exact layout. She talks of creeping through carpteted hallways, so it probably wouldn't be easy to see her from the atrium. She does say there is a risk though, as there are any troops around. She describes progressing to a corridor that opens into the atrium - so I picture it as her sneaking down corridors in the halls along side the atrium (not through the atrium), down one that opens into the atrium that evidently no one is looking at and snipes from there). Assuming spot rolls and all of that I would think no actually being visable to the enemy troops would place big penalties on spotting them, and if no one was looking at the door she set up in, same. Erfworlders aren't telepaths or precogs afterall (except the telepaths and precogs).

ftl wrote:
Remember, we've only seen Artemis from the point of view of ARTEMIS HERSELF. So we know she THINKS of herself as a skilled, smart soldier and commander, who was sidelined in a city for stupid politics that wasn't her fault.


Heh, true. I probably should have written "as portrayed in this particular kind of action" - I have no idea what her qualities are like as a higher level commander and I do hope she hasn't totally left the other guys with Trem, including those warlords, as I guess Warlord Grey Brows is one at least, without some kind of direction and just taken herself off with her knights. Or someone else has taken control of the bigger situation (like Grey Brows) and thinks it is good/right/practical Artemis is following this course. She is being portrayed as a skilled, smart soldier and commander of a small unit. She does say, afterall - "She hated mass battles."

And I did criticize her rushing in and attitude towards Trem when she saw him order her knights into the tower in a previous thread when it was clear she had less then full knowledge of what was going on. Now that she is actually there she seems to know what she is doing, in the context of her small unit tactics (since we don't know if she looked at the larger battle at all).

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In her favor, she does recount how
1) As a level 1, she was a great hunter, and her stack didn't need to touch their provisions.
2) She saved Forthewin's life with a good shot against a Woodsy Owl.
3) She had a bad feeling about the dwagon bombing.


I would add: "Glancing up once more, she thought of Prince Ossomer. She had been part of his campaign against Haggar; her Knights were the key factor at the Battle for Toughskin. Prince Sammy actually had to withdraw from the city on his turn, or be overrun. At Court she was still despised, but Ossomer knew. Had known." Although to take the other side we don't know her actual role in that. Plus her training up herself and knights over hundreds of turns - they certainly seem to respect her.

As for the against - maybe. As you say with number one, we can't tell. Not sure about the prince getting an arrow in the eye counting against her to much. She does admit to drink playing a part in that, and she was only drinking to get Ansom to the point where he'd participate. A silly thing to do, but not necessarily indicative of her skill as either a soldier or commander to drink a bit to much and mess up a trick shot while off duty. Leaving her post is a mark against her, although I'm not sure she wouldn't have left no orders (not sure who the higher ups would be, since Trem then was knocked out and I guess she can't quickly communicate with Slately or the next highest warlord). As for four... eehhh, I don't know. She isn't a superhuman, there is only so many things she can take into account.

oslecamo2_temp wrote wrote:
Thanks for suporting my perspective from Sylvia (taking the iniative to force the enemy to come out of their fortress or be buried alive), but I must point out the grave error on Trems part. Going to the frontline himself. His combat stats clearly aren't that high, considering he was the only one being knocked out by the dwagon's breath. That's why you have subordinates and other warlords. Trems should've sent a tough (but expendable) warlord to do the scouting. So if the enemy shows up, at least Jetstone doesn't lose yet another CWL on the same day.


He didn't put himself on the front line, the front line just happens to be a couple of meters away from the stairs to the tower. And without a thinkamancer communication takes time, time they don't have. He descended the stairs to scout, scouts by walking a few meters forward, looking through the big gate, seeing what he needed (that is, that the base of the tower is clear), had the gate shut and instantly sent word to Slately to come down. His choices, I guess, where to stay at the top of the tower or to descend, see the way is clear and go somewhere else, leaving another warlord in charge of getting Slately down (and increasing communication time). The former might actually have worked out better, since he could deal with Slately directly, but we only know that because we, as readers, have more knowledge about what is going on.

Trem's plan was working fine, if Slately had done his part Trem and Slately wouldn't be in danger, they'd be safely away from the tower. Of course Slately does seem to be in the process of trying to do something good for his side, his biggest mistake is not sending a message to Trem telling him something, anything, causing him to delay at the towers base. I am thinking, perhaps, since it is clear the tower is in danger Slately will be sending all no essential troops down to help defend it/counter attack with Trem (and he has some good ones), just keeping the casters, knights etc he needs to mount up the doubled Unipegataurs.

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I agree Trems is kinda out of options and needs to get the king out of the city ASAP, but he insisted on doing everything himself, and that's plain bad. He has a precious warlord with the rare archery special, and he just lets her sit idle. Trems has four fully operational mancers under his command, but only used them to activate the tower defenses.


I'd say again only minutes have passed. The mancers were going to be part of the kings bodyguard, and he probably isn't thinking far beyond "get the king to safety then go from there", I can forgive him for not instantly thinking "We have a disgraced lv 8 warlord on the walls, how can I use her?" Especially since he has lots of warlords.
Thu wrote:
Just a couple of musings on the situation:

Slyvia's flanks: There are plenty of extra units in the atrium doing nothing. She knows that there are lots of enemy infantry around. She can presumably see that the atrium has more than one entrance. (She certainly knows that there is an entrance to the portal room). How long would it have taken for her to direct the other dwagons/heavy hobgobwins to watch the other doors? Not that long. Artemis conveyed a pretty complicated message with just hand signals and natural tinkamancy so it stands to reason that the much simpler message of "watch the other doors" could be conveyed pretty easily to the remaining dwagons/heavy hobs. I think it seems pretty clear that she was acting at least recklessly.

That being said had she waited 20 seconds to direct the guarding of her flanks she might not have gotten lucky and hit Trem and the knights so in this case her recklessness paid off.

Artemis' fitness as commander: One of the primary benefits of having a warlord around is that they can act on their own initiative for the benefit of their side. It is not clear what she intended to do when she got down there but her internal monologue suggests that she might have been going to assist in getting the rest of the infantry into battle formations. Now she did start down when she saw Trem stack with 'her' knights so she may have had other intentions, but she certainly recognized the virtue of Trem's plan to take the stack of knights, storm the tower and get the king out since she was going to implement it herself as soon as Sylvia was taken out of the picture


I agree with this, well said.

Sieggy wrote:
I think I should point out that if ANYONE is holding the idiot ball here, it's Slately. If he had evacuated the tower when Trem wanted (ordered) him to do so, he would be safely out of harms way by now, and their side secure from disbanding. Instead, he 'called a friend' to borrow money so he could appoint a replacement and then go die gloriously so he wouldn't end as a total loser. So now he's stuck at the top of the tower, waiting for his casters to pull something out of the collective asses to save his, and STILL not getting out while he can still do so.


While I think Slately's plan has some good points (if Jetstone has to loose someone and have the best chance of carrying on then Trem would probably be a better choice for these dark times then Slately) some of the execution is a problem, namely he hasn't let Trem know what he is planning, plus Trem was never fully committed to fighting for Spacerock to begin with. He always left the possibility open he would retreat, rather then risk giving GK a huge army, after the king was safely away.So, really, Slately and Trem may well have both lived, making the immediate question of an heir less important.

The biggest mistake is not communicating with Trem about what he is planning. Now Slately isn't a war leader, so he probably doesn't appreciate the whole importance of time, but with Slately's safety the most important thing right now by making Trem wait he is keeping Trem from moving on to other matters.

Though I will say I'm not sure about the "to save his" part - Slately's only concern is ensuring Trem becomes the royal heir. He is prepared to die getting the schmuckers to do that.

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As disappointing as Ossomer is as a leader, Slately is far worse. Must run in the family, I hope Trem bucks the trend . . .


We didn't get much of a chance to see Oss as a leader, unless you are going back to you complaint about him acting human in the situation he is in.

Beeskee wrote:
Personally I've been screaming at Slately to GTFO for a long time now so I'm not saying you're wrong. Just that this was so far beyond his understanding and expectations that he may not even have been able to conceive of it.


That seems very reasonable. It is good to remember over the course of an hour or two the father and sons of Jetstone have really had their world shaken to a massive extent, they are in places and roles they never would have imagined themselves, and they are really having to take things as they come, with varying levels of success, which is understandable.