Book 2 - Text Updates 036

Book 2 - Text Updates 036

"So you saw Ossomer's fall? With your own eyes?"

"I did," Duke Antium nodded uncomfortably. "It was in the adjoining hex, of course. Over the bridge. But I did see him run through."

"Did Ansom slay him?"

Antium made a sour face, and grasped to phrase it as precisely as required. "The...Gobwin Knob warlord unit which was...er, formed from Prince Ansom's body...was at hand. Yes. It oversaw the execution. But the actual deed was carried out by another warlord of the same...type as that."

"That must have been awful. Perfectly awful."

Antium thought it had been almost as awful as this conversation.

But of course, he would never say such a thing to another Noble. Indeed, he couldn't even determine precisely what it was about Duke Lacrosse that he found so odious. He looked around his temporary office at the foot of the grand staircase, aimlessly arranging some parchments upon his work table.

The Atrium was packed with Jetstone infantry. He could order Lacrosse to rejoin his stacks at the other side of it. He had the authority, and the man's being here with the leadership stack was a minor violation of Royal orders.

But in the absence of any major military need for it, it would simply be taken as rude. They were of equal station before the Court. He had to indulge the Duke his inquiry.

"Yes..." said Antium absently. "But of course, we took our measure of vengeance, in the end."

Lacrosse's eager fist pounded the table, rattling the tea set. "Of course! You lucky, lucky daemon! You rode in with Prince Tramennis, right? That's what I heard, anyway. You get all that kind of luck, don't you?" He looked pointedly at Price, Antium's captain, who was standing by. "He does, doesn't he? Gets all the lucky breaks."

If anything, Lacrosse had an even broader build than Antium's own. But his short stature and the way he carried himself made him seem somehow like a hedgehog or a badger...some small burrowing creature. His slick brown hair and whiskers only added to this effect.

"I do have some experience leading assaults with heavy units," said Antium. "That was what His Highness decreed to be the appropriate tactic. And I would say it proved wise."

"Yeah, well," Lacrosse grumbled, "you should have left a few there for the rest of us to take revenge on. I haven't leveled in forty turns!" The Duke was still smiling, but he slammed the table again with an open palm. "First big infantry fight with Stanley and the Prince uses heavies! And there's a fat huge chance I'll have a piece of this battle, either."

He pointed skyward to the smoked glass roof. Their view of what was going on up there was limited to vague shadows. Antium looked up at it, as his fellow Nobleman rambled on.

"I've got my men drilled stupid, and somehow we've missed all the big action. Everywhere! It's starting to look like a plot, if you want to know what I think!"

Antium's eyes did not stray from the great vaulted roof. Some instinctive part of his warlord's mind was telling him to consider his present tactical position. He frowned.

Secure, certainly.

Was it not? The roof was a siege barrier against flyers, much like a wall or a tower structure. Its thick, tough tiles were opaque from above, so an enemy in the airspace could not know the dispensation of the forces deployed here. It would stop falling arrows and debris, and prevent enemy flyers from landing here without applying some form of siege engine to the roof. And while the enemy did have purple dwagons up there, they could not use their sound effects to attack another city zone while not on their turn.

No, when the battle began, they would be troubled only by the thump of falling enemy bodies, bouncing from the roof and falling into the city outside. The tactical position was secure.

"But it's not, is it?" asked Lacrosse.

"Hm?" said Antium, looking back down at the Duke.

"A plot. It's not one, right?"

Antium allowed himself a smile. "Don't be absurd. No part of the army really understands the logic of its deployment. We simply have to trust the Chief Warlord and the King to place us where we can do the most good. I'm certain you'll have your own run of good luck, Duke. As Fate will allow."

Lacrosse made a face which said he wasn't prepared to let it go at that, but there was suddenly a booming thump from high overhead. It sounded much like a single beat of a war drum, as heard from inside the drum. They looked up.

A huge splotchy shadow was on the glass. The first enemy body? Antium stood, and squinted. It was the wrong shape...and not rolling away.

THUMP!

Another struck the roof in a different spot, blocking a little more sunlight. Before he could even focus upon it, there was a distant crash.

At the far end of the atrium: a light from the roof. Down through a sudden sunbeam, a shower of sparking glass was falling slowly, slowly. At its center, a brown lump snaked through the air.

The lump struck among a stack of pikers–Duke Lacrosse's units–and sent them flying. Their tiny shouts from across this vast interior space arrived like the echoes in a nightmare.

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Folks, the success of the falling tactic is a function of Fate, as expressed in Plotamancy, not Numbermancy. Your conjectures regarding the probability of Wanda's (or anyone else's) falling unhurt, dead, or injured are moot. Those who live or die will do so because Plot and Fate compel it, and those injured will be so because the Story requires it. The Numbers will fall where Fate decrees.

Which is a polite way of saying that I don't think Rob dice rolls the plotline of the story . . .
Bah, you guys are blowing the "falling" statistics out of proportion. While the majority (if not all) of the dwagons are likely to die in this battle (I hope Red survives... Hes made it so far!!), I'm just not seeing how Wanda/ Jack/ the rest of our merry band are in any sort of danger...from falling-related-incidents, at least.

Exhibit A.) Summer Intermission 32 - Parson is on Banana, and Banana falls. The point of interest being that Parson doesn't take any damage (as far as we can tell, but Occam's Razor, et al...) until he rolls (falls) off of Banana... So who's to say that the Gobwin Knob units won't just strap themselves onto their dwagons, tell the things to stop flying, and then enjoy their cushioned landing? So what if the odds of a dwagon dying is something like 5/9? As long as Wanda doesn't decide that fate will save her if she sky-dives, she'll just land with her dwagon and instantly count as being in the Garrison.

Ooooor, if that's too simple [read: easy] for some of you, there's a second possibility...

Exhibit B.) My theory since, like, a week ago, has been that we'll see nearly all the dwagons/hobgobwins crash-land and set up a perimeter... Then, once things are safe, Wanda/ Jack's dwagons will hover *just* above the Garrison and some infantry/Warlords will merely lower them to safety.

Pre-post-edit: Sieggy is correct, of course... But where's the fun in that? Let's keep speculating! :lol:
I did read Trotsky's math, and while I see no fault with it, there's two extra factors there that I think matter. One is that incapacitated equals croaked if you take any damage at all... and if they get hurt by the acidic crap in the Atrium, or shot by someone from the tower, the fallen units are toast. I know, that's still only a vague possibility at this point, but it adds to the risk. And it means that even an "incapacitated" or "injured but alive" outcome could take on additional damage and equal "croaked".

The bigger problem is that while Parson did acknowledge that the outcome of falling is essentially random between incapacitated, injured or croaked... random does not necessarily mean they're all equally possible. If I take a die, paint four sides red and the other two sides green, the result of a roll is still completely random BUT the odds of rolling red are twice as high as rolling green.
You can apparently croak from a three-feet fall, but that doesn't mean you have a 1/3 chance of doing so. It might be extremely unlikely, just randomly possible. But, since we know that height is a factor when falling, going from the Airspace to the Garrison would drastically tilt the scales to make "croaked" a more likely outcome.

So while I cannot claim Trotsky's math is inaccurate - in fact I think it's very well laid out - it's still with the best-case scenario, and even then she's got less than a 50% chance of surviving no matter what happens. With other factors laid in, her odds of survival could be considerably lower than that.


Also, regarding Charlie's Archons in the Gobwin Knob airspace... true, that is the closest we've come to a scenario like this, but it's not quite the same. Charlie had allies in the city hex, his Archons weren't being threatened by air defences because there were none, and he had no ground units in the Courtyard to let us see how Sub-Zones work off turn. So it's close, but mostly it just shows how unusual the current situation for Gobwin Knob is.
Atomic wrote:
Bah, you guys are blowing the "falling" statistics out of proportion. While the majority (if not all) of the dwagons are likely to die in this battle (I hope Red survives... Hes made it so far!!), I'm just not seeing how Wanda/ Jack/ the rest of our merry band are in any sort of danger...from falling-related-incidents, at least.

Exhibit A.) Summer Intermission 32 - Parson is on Banana, and Banana falls. The point of interest being that Parson doesn't take any damage (as far as we can tell, but Occam's Razor, et al...) until he rolls (falls) off of Banana... So who's to say that the Gobwin Knob units won't just strap themselves onto their dwagons, tell the things to stop flying, and then enjoy their cushioned landing? So what if the odds of a dwagon dying is something like 5/9? As long as Wanda doesn't decide that fate will save her if she sky-dives, she'll just land with her dwagon and instantly count as being in the Garrison.

Ooooor, if that's too simple [read: easy] for some of you, there's a second possibility...

Exhibit B.) My theory since, like, a week ago, has been that we'll see nearly all the dwagons/hobgobwins crash-land and set up a perimeter... Then, once things are safe, Wanda/ Jack's dwagons will hover *just* above the Garrison and some infantry/Warlords will merely lower them to safety.

Pre-post-edit: Sieggy is correct, of course... But where's the fun in that? Let's keep speculating! :lol:


Much as I hate to say it, I do think that Exhibit A is "too easy". I know that's a generic response, but basically what you're suggesting is crash-landing a Dwagon and walking away from the wreckage unharmed. Parson noted that his fall was unnaturally slow; either Banana's attempt to fly slowed their fall so it wasn't fatal, or that archon that we saw watching wasn't filming him, she was using Changemancy (or another spell) to slow his fall, or perhaps another one was. Either option could explain Parson's survival, and at the same time, be something we can't rely on working here (with the possible exception of an Archon casting a spell, if that's what it was).
And yeah, even before I say this I know it's a cop-out, but really: It's Parson. We don't even know if the guy can croak, given that so many of Erfworld's rules only seem to halfway apply to him. Just 'cause he crashed a dwagon and survived, in circumstances that were far out of the ordinary, doesn't mean anybody else could pull it off.

Exhibit B... we've already had Jack reveal via Parson's Klog that if you fly close to the ground and dismount, it counts as a fall. Being lifted down by another unit might work, but it's iffy at best. Seems like a loophole that Parson would have thought of. But the way that Klog entry looks, dismounting by any method other than "Your mount has landed and allows you to climb off" counts as falling. Just... maybe not from as far, which like I said in the post above, could lower the chance of croaking.

In any case, the theories might work... and obviosly Parson has something planned. I'm looking forward to seeing what, and either of these might be it.
Selexor wrote:
Much as I hate to say it, I do think that Exhibit A is "too easy". I know that's a generic response, but basically what you're suggesting is crash-landing a Dwagon and walking away from the wreckage unharmed. Parson noted that his fall was unnaturally slow; either Banana's attempt to fly slowed their fall so it wasn't fatal, or that archon that we saw watching wasn't filming him, she was using Changemancy (or another spell) to slow his fall, or perhaps another one was. Either option could explain Parson's survival, and at the same time, be something we can't rely on working here (with the possible exception of an Archon casting a spell, if that's what it was).
Banana couldn't carry Parson, remember. If a unit that a Dwagon can carry orders said dwagon to slowly land, it might work, and minimize damage to the rider. Or damage to a mount might just be damage to a mount, and not applied to the rider. I like the idea of landing the dwagons and then dismounting, especially since Parson has some experience with that.

And I'd like to congratulate the forum as a whole for making this reactions thread the longest ever. We do like to discuss the weirdest things now, don't we :P ?
Nihila wrote:
And I'd like to congratulate the forum as a whole for making this reactions thread the longest ever. We do like to discuss the weirdest things now, don't we :P ?


It's the suspense from waiting to see what Parson will actually do, people have to find some way of expressing their crazy ideas in the time between entries :P.
We had a big discussion on the mechanics of falling, and another debate on Kingworld. A lot of material.
Yes. We are the McLaughlin Group of webcomic fandom.
And the poor schmoos who just buy the book and read it won't really appreciate the subtlety of it all, and how it hangs together so artfully. They'll just read a comic book in one sitting while most of it goes right over their heads . . . Oh, well, pearls and swine and all that . . .
Indeed. This thread has over 400 replies, but there is yet a long way to go to get over the magic number.

I wonder, what would an update have to contain, in order to get that many replies. Maybe Jillian, who's secretly an Archon, creates 3 clones of herself to form a 4-link and cast the uber powerful spell Deus Ex Jillianae, which turns out to be 2001's Star Baby aka Charlie aka young Parson Gotti, who then jauntes back in time to oversee the creation of Erfworld before splitting up in two personalities one of which ends up on Dirtworld forgetting that the other exists.

Nah. That won't happen. It's a bit too much going on for just one update.