Book 2 - Page 47

Book 2 - Page 47
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@ Sieggy & build6: The Airspace-Courtyard boundary is the air...
No, the boundary is the ground, so the dwagon can go trough the roof holes as long as they still flying above ground level while inside buildings... wich means they can hide inside that building while off-turn.

Most likely they'll wait for TRammenis to be seconds from ordering the attack, so they get their movility restored by having the last stragler dwagons taking some hits and start killing infantery right away.

I mean, if they are attacked, then that allows them to strike back as the battle gets started in a sort of "Real time", but still they don't want to have all their dragons as targets in the open.
Roketter wrote:
No, the boundary is the ground, so the dwagon can go trough the roof holes as long as they still flying above ground level while inside buildings... wich means they can hide inside that building while off-turn.
Doy! I meant ground, but typed air. So the Infantry on the ground are completely open to breath weapon attacks, and their bodies will be above the zone barrier, so they'll be targets for decryption.
If they are going to violate parley anyway, why not some more foolamancy and then a yellow-dragon dive bomber vs. the tower - with the King and the Prince standing right there in plain sight?
Nihila wrote:
So the Infantry on the ground are completely open to breath weapon attacks, and their bodies will be above the zone barrier, so they'll be targets for decryption.


I believe you cannot intentionally attack units in another zone without crossing that zone. The one exception being that yellow dwagons' attacks follow the laws of gravity. I do not think breath weapon or other attacks can be done across the zone unless the attacker 'moves' (aka falls) into the Garrison zone. That would then engage the 'some damage/incapacitate/croak' rule of falling on the attacker. Otherwise, Charlie's Archons could have picked off GK's ground units with their energy attacks during the Battle of Gobwin Knob even though it wasn't the archons' turn.

Now, yes, I imagine that flying units can get very close to the ground but to be able to attack they have to 'fall' into the ground/Garrison zone. In the scene between Ansom and Wanda where Wanda begs him to touch her with the pliers I imagine that would have cost Ansom two move (one to cross the zone to 'touch' Wanda and another to move back to the airspace afterwards.)
Radagast wrote:
If they are going to violate parley anyway, why not some more foolamancy and then a yellow-dragon dive bomber vs. the tower - with the King and the Prince standing right there in plain sight?


Because they cannot attack the tower. The zone between the airspace and the tower would stop all attacks and any acidic battle crap would slide and fall onto the ground below. The only reason the battle crap can hit the garrison is because it is FALLING. Their is no falling exploit between the Airspace and Tower (at least non mentioned) only between the Airspace and the Garrison. Also the casters would let loose the tower defenses and the archers would let loose with the arrows. Also if Jack attempts any Foolamancy he runs a high risk of it being seen by the many warlords in the tower thus also initiating the tower defense and arrow attack.

Parson's goal is not to violate parley and not to 'survive' but rather how to still win. Attacking the tower is suicide with little to no chance of success. His current plan has much better odds. However, it all depends on if they can make the transition from Airspace to Garrison with at least Wanda intact.

Long term repercussions: Stanley is not going to be happy about having a lot of his dwagons now being loyal to the ArkenPliers and not the ArkenHammer. Given Ossomer's speech regarding whom he and the other decrypted serve I can see how that could very well become a significant issue. But leave it to Stanley to find the cloud in the silver lining.
joosy wrote:
Radagast wrote:
If they are going to violate parley anyway, why not some more foolamancy and then a yellow-dragon dive bomber vs. the tower - with the King and the Prince standing right there in plain sight?


Because they cannot attack the tower. The zone between the airspace and the tower would stop all attacks and any acidic battle crap would slide and fall onto the ground below. The only reason the battle crap can hit the garrison is because it is FALLING. Their is no falling exploit between the Airspace and Tower (at least non mentioned) only between the Airspace and the Garrison.


There IS a danger, and they CAN attack the tower using the same mechanic. If there was no danger, Jetstone would not have ordered the yellows away. Trammenis outright states that the Yellows could hit them on the tower.

I'm not saying it's as good as Parson's plan, but it seems a lot simpler and less risky. Depending on how much juice Jack had left.
Radagast wrote:
joosy wrote:
Radagast wrote:
If they are going to violate parley anyway, why not some more foolamancy and then a yellow-dragon dive bomber vs. the tower - with the King and the Prince standing right there in plain sight?


Because they cannot attack the tower. The zone between the airspace and the tower would stop all attacks and any acidic battle crap would slide and fall onto the ground below. The only reason the battle crap can hit the garrison is because it is FALLING. Their is no falling exploit between the Airspace and Tower (at least non mentioned) only between the Airspace and the Garrison.


There IS a danger, and they CAN attack the tower using the same mechanic. If there was no danger, Jetstone would not have ordered the yellows away. Trammenis outright states that the Yellows could hit them on the tower.

I'm not saying it's as good as Parson's plan, but it seems a lot simpler and less risky. Depending on how much juice Jack had left.


Assuming that they can attack from airspace to tower using battlecrap (which I still maintain they cannot - Trammenis was just being overly cautious) they would not be able to select targets and could not guarantee taking out Slately. It would also probably mean an immediate reprisal from the tower defenses, the archers (aided by the Dittomancer) and the Healomancer keeping units alive, resulting in the end of GK's units including Wanda and Jack.

Edit: Yes, the yellows can probably bomb the tower from above but with no guarantee they would hit Slately and would most likely result in immediate retaliation via the Tower defenses and possibly the archers.
zebarmy wrote:
MonteCristo wrote:
Mayhaps, though Parson's plan does not rely on it since he told Sizemore that he could stay behind


Granted, but it wouldn't be the first time Sizemore's done something he didn't want to, out of necessity :)


:ugeek: ...Except that's not what Parson said. Parson said Sizemore didn't have to come with Parson through the portal. He didn't say that Sizemore didn't have to go through the portal at all or by himself.

Kind of like a parent who promises their self conscious teenager "you don't have to come with me into the school's dance. As a chaperon I'll enter separately, and lay low." etc.
danielkaplan123 wrote:
zebarmy wrote:
MonteCristo wrote:
Mayhaps, though Parson's plan does not rely on it since he told Sizemore that he could stay behind


Granted, but it wouldn't be the first time Sizemore's done something he didn't want to, out of necessity :)


:ugeek: ...Except that's not what Parson said. Parson said Sizemore didn't have to come with Parson through the portal. He didn't say that Sizemore didn't have to go through the portal at all or by himself.

Kind of like a parent who promises their self conscious teenager "you don't have to come with me into the school's dance. As a chaperon I'll enter separately, and lay low." etc.


Except, said teenager knows that you're going to end up doing the funky chicken with the head lunch lady.